Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Liz to lead rubbish session at this week's Area Assembly
Allons enfants de Harringay,
Le jour de gloire est arrivé !
This week's Area Assembly is the first under its new chair, Cllr Zena Brabazon.
Zena wants more resident involvement so she's handing the floor over to the residents.
Liz has been asked to have first bash and is leading a session on rubbish issues.
Surely it's worth coming just for that. It's just down the road on Green Lanes - full details here.
Tags for Forum Posts: area assembly, area forum, new recycling bins, veolia
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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So if Liz has the floor, how are residents supposed to vent their spleens at Veolia and the council for the vandalism they have committed in Harringay? And if you don't think it's vandalism, as you leave your street turn back and look up the other side of the road.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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No, I am doing a 10 minute presentation of (mainly) pictures and comments from the forum. I don't want a spleen venting session. I want the officials there to look at the vandalism and horrible streetscapes they have created and come to the realisation that what *they* have created, they must now put right.
I have pictures of some truly awful street scenes that should make them hang their heads in shame and publicly promise to do something personally, actively and by spending Veolia's money to put right. Bear in mind that the majority of pictures I took were on the same day ranging from Burgoyne Road to Falmer Road and were in no way exceptional. There were some roads, where thanks to the bin arrangements, it would make me cry every single day to have to walk past it. Even in roads where people have tried to arrange their bins to make the minimum of intrusion all you can see stretching down the road are wheelies...
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Permalink Reply by Chris Setz on
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Good for you Liz!
Not sure what a win for you would look like on the night though. They'll all maybe say sorry, but then that there were reasons, it wasn't them personally, cite budget concerns, pass the buck between each other and those absent etc
Suggest you ask for something so specific that it demands a yes/no answer - how about you ask them:
1) to agree to pay specific attention to three streets
2) to publish a plan of action within one week as to what they intend to do about the 'Harringay Three', how long they expect each action to take and (crucially) what standards they will apply so that you have an objective measure.
3) photos to be taken of the 'Harringay Three' after the remedy is applied. Liz to circulate amongst residents (via HoL)
Something like that - measurable by their own measures, visible and accountable.
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I've seen how one of our local getting-things-done types operates in meetings. He prints out the photos and distributes copies to the officers and councillors responsible, all witnessed. It seems to work better than expecting them to have access to flickr or HoL... shame about the trees (not to mention the children again).
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I'm never that keen on council plans of actions, they tend to disappear into the ether. I'm also loathe to pick on any roads in particular as all of them have issues but the roads with tiny front gardens do need urgent attention.
I'm not really in a position to make requests that are likely to be agreed upon there and then. I don't want anyone to get carried away with the idea that I'm going to spend all my waking hours on this (unless Veolia care to *employ* me to do it). I'm neither paid nor elected to keep track of officials on behalf of Harringay and St Ann's wards. There are paid people in the council and the company whose job it is to come up with remedies and there are elected officials whose role is to hold them to account. I will expect them to do just that and report back to us exactly what they are doing to earn our votes in 2014
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Sorry Liz - when you wrote that you have photos that should make them:
'publicly promise to do something personally, actively and by spending Veolia's money to put right' I thought you were taking them on. Good idea to let them do what they're supposed to, life's too short!
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I meant that there would be witnesses in the form of councillors, residents (and hopefully) tweeters to the fact that the system isn't functioning correctly and that the photos should mean that the kind of responses that we've had so far that these are 'teething problems' and that things will settle will not be acceptable. Some (like erratic collections) may settle. Other things like people not using food waste bins, being forced to live with 'a wall of bins' or simply ignoring the new system will require a lot more than a ruddy leaflet and a few bags shoved through the letterbox.
I don't intend to do the councillors job for them.(Hugh's tongue in cheek portrayal of me above should not lead people to come along expecting bloody revolution) There should be no need 'to take them on'. If there is, then we all need to consider very carefully where we put our X in the next election...
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I'm grateful that Liz has given her time and energy to get this to the Forum but she is spot on that the job of monitoring and fixing this mess is down to Haringey and Veolia. I think our job is to persistently let them know when they haven't done what we (as in residents of the borough as a whole, not just The Ladder) need or haven't kept up their side of the contract.
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Permalink Reply by Rachella on
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This is a burrough-wide issue, not just limited to three streets. This morning Veolia refused to take away my recycling because it's in the old boxes. I refused the giant wheelie bin because it would have blocked my front door but I have yet to receive the smaller bin I was promised. Meanwhile, what do I do with my recycling? My rubbish bin is full. Had I know they would do this I would have thrown it in one of my neighbours' empty recycling bins.
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Permalink Reply by linka on
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That's weird. Last week I saw that the bin man emptied my neighbour's full green recycling bin into my half-empty recycling wheelie when he saw they hadn't used their new recycling wheelie (regular bin overflowing). This seemed to be a sensible interim gesture on his part. Odd that there's no consistent policy.
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Permalink Reply by ant on
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We haven't got our smaller green wheelie bin yet either and yesterday the bin man knocked on our door to say this was the last time they'd collect the recycling from the old boxes so we need to phone up to sort out the wheelie bin.
While i'm here - go Liz with the rubbish session. I hope it doesn't get bogged down on the short term problems of missed collections/slipping schedules but can focus on how to fix this longer term. I walked about our street the day before the two week collection was due and it was quite depressing. Not just the wheelie bins everywhere you look but now lots of them overflowing, rubbish bags piled around them or moved to the footpath and smaller bags of rubbish neatly placed on the street next to the public bins or planters or where ever a spot could be found, and a noticeable smell of rotting trash in several places, with the sad sight of the houses trying to make a differences with planters and window boxes where the flowers are now barely visible behind the wall of bins. Go back to weekly collections is the only answer I think.
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