Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
A neat little document about 'Green Lanes'
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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Constraints
Resistance to development and change in some areas through strong resident groups and associations
Oh those pesky residents...
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I saw this a couple of months back and chose to pass on by. I think it's a document that shows the Council's arrogant atitude in the way they deal with residents. Liz's quote is one example. Their invention of a totally new neighbourhood is another. Firstly there's no neighbourhood with the name Green Lanes. They seem to just want there to be so they can ditch the name Harringay. Second, where on earth did their borders come from. There's no historical nor customary underpinning to the unit they have conjured up. Not only, it seems do they want to do away with Harringay, they want to dispel any notion of there being such a place as West Green.
And as to the "place principles", can anybody local confirm they were involevd in developing them? This is another document that says a lot about Haringey's on-high, top-down way of viewing the world.
I'm fascinated as to what reasoniong might be driving the invention of this new"neighbourhood"
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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" with several Turkish and Kurdish shops and restaurants "
A novel use of the word " several "
"Wightman Road is a secondary north south route, used mainly by private vehicles and cyclists. " really ?
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Permalink Reply by AndrewAW1 on
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That will be the cyclists who manage to avoid getting squashed in the "traffic calming" features.
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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From the SWOT analysis on pg 12- 'Rat run and high speed traffic on Wightman Road'
They are not blind to some of the issues, question is what they will do about it.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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I followed a 22t tipper truck down there this morning at 6:50am and it got stuck trying to turn into Hewitt. It's a joke.
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I would assume due to the length of the road connecting multiple farms or areas people would have considered it taking many different roads rather than just one, particularly due to a Green Lane being basically a rarely used overgrown track. The road in entirety does seem more an afterthought connecting main routes rather than a traditional entry to London like Archway/Holloway Road, especially with its general non-straightness except in the Harringay area.
For anyone interested in the origin of the term "Green Lane": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_lane_(road)
This is all just speculation on my part, it's possible that it was named "Green" Lanes for an entirely different reason.
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Permalink Reply by Martin (Woodside) on
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It's the series of lanes that joined the 'Greens' from Winchmore Hill to Palmers Green, Bounds Green, Wood Green, West Green and Tottenham Green.
Looks like they are finally doing something to the long dilapidated Truro House in Palmers Green, not sure what yet.
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Shouldn't it then be " Greens Lane " ?
I thought it was because it gave access to a number of unmetalled grassy lanes to either side
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Actually, since a Green Lane is an unpaved track which has so little traffic that grass, etc grows on it and what we know today as Green Lanes was a drovers' track eventually leading to Smithfield, the name probably comes from the fact that there were a number of green lanes in series - Manor House to Turnpike Lane, Turnpike Lane to Bounds Green etc, - and the herdsmen would say " You follow the green lanes south towards the city.... "
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Interesting - if somewhat lacking in nuance.
Is it really dated FEBRURARY 2015 ?
Spelchek anyone ?
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Thanks annee. That at least explains some of the context, but I'm still left rather bemused.
The document you link to explains that the objective of defining these so-called 'neighbourhoods' was apparently as "an evidence base for Haringey’s Local Plan documents", but then I look at the Local Plan published in March this year and in the introductory section, neighbourhoods areas are defined in a totally different way (pp 17-27), and one more in line with the way those of who know the borough would recognise. A word search through the other five sections yielded no other use of these new so-called 'neighbourhoods' anywhere in the Plan.
Neither are the so-called 'neighbourhoods' they defined used in any other way within the 'study' document itself. They were defined and apparently (and thankfully) not used in any other way at all. So I'm still none the wiser about why they did it.
As to the methodology they used, I'm sure it's recognisable one, but the results suggest to me that either it's a faulty one or it was driven by someone still needing their L plates. Their ivory towers approach may explain the loose linkage to the reality on the ground:
A collaborative approach was taken to identifying neighbourhoods – workshop sessions were held with members of different teams in the council, and the places were repeatedly drawn and re-drawn on a map. We worked with members of the planning policy team along with design and conservation, development management, transport planning and housing teams. We also consulted staff who live in the borough, to get perspectives from local residents.
You can almost see the steam generated by the intense activity of the exercise, but as far as I've yet been able to learn it was little more than a party game with an output about as useful as that activity might suggest. I think my initial reaction to pass on by was the right one.
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