Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Multi-frontage Antepliler growing
Did anyone else notice that the four-frontage Antepliler restaurant etc is now opening a fifth shop-front, labelled "Doner"? In order to become a five-front place, it has jumped the side road. It will have to edge out Pizza Hut (take-away) if it wants to expand further, to six fronts.
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Permalink Reply by Gordon T on
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Peter did, back in March, and Phil K has thrown his teddies out of his pram about their planning applications here and here.
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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Gordon. I am sure your comment about Phil's teddies was tongue in cheek but there is a serious point here. While individual businesses limit themselves to a single shop front, there is limited risk to the character and functioning health of Green Lanes if it were to go out of business. However, if the likes of Antepliler were to ultimately colonise a whole block of shop fronts there is a real concentration risk occurring. If this business were to go under it would be a massive blow to Green lanes, and would prove difficult to find replacements in short order leaving us with the sort of desolation seen in many northern market towns and elsewhere at the moment.
Do not get me wrong, I love the Turkish food at the bottom of my road, and I have no real objection to successful businesses expanding- as long as it is sustainable.
I might also add that I see Devran are expanding at the bottom of Pemberton, looks like a 3 front premises/group there too.
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Yes, tongue in cheek, and I (at least) don't use that phrase dismissively - rather, to me, it's simply an explosion of utter frustration, as in Phil K's initial post about the ever-expanding (shop-fronts and opening hours) of such businesses as Antepliler (not the only one, I know too). Also I agree about diversity versus over-concentration of Green Lanes businesses. I remember when there was an Italian delicatessen, sigh.
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Sorry, hope I did not come across as dismissive- certainly did not mean to. Its not easy being 100% clear what you are saying in written format, sometimes you need to see what my hands are doing to understand.
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I am sure there is a joke in there somewhere, with the two British fellas apologising to each other.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I do watch our high street with great attention and I do care very much what happens to it. I have to say though, that the Antepliler expansion doesn't concern me. It's been there a good number of years now and, given the sort of shops it's likely to displace and the fact that it looks good, I'm very comfortable with it.
I do however draw the line at any more large 'Turkish' restaurants opening and I opposed the one planned for Fairline (as did many of the traders). Enough is enough. Even with several large restaurants, there's still plenty of room for lots ot other shops - and that's where I place my focus - building out a more diverse high street environment.
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There you go coming over all coy again, Phil. I'm not sure which of your barrels is aimed at me and which at the traders and I'm not sure what perspective you think I was writing from. So for clarity's sake, let me explain that I was offering a personal opinion as part of this debate.
Yes, personal opinions can be arbitrary; people are like that. I haven't sat down and thought through a high streets policy and I don't have the time right now to go though my thinking in detail, but it does have a certain coherence.
Firstly, in the current environs I recognise that the dual forces of commerce and planning regulation hold sway and that I will therefore not get my perfect high street.
Secondly, I hold that in most circumstances a thriving high street is better that a withering one.
Once those realities are out of the way, my two key issues are to have a diverse high street and for it to reasonably reflect the needs and desires of people who live in the immediate locality,
I've never suggested that the planning rules be ridden over roughshod, if that's what you're inferring. As you quite rightly point out, there has to be some reference point and I accept that where it's required, planning law and local policy should be the supreme reference points.
I also feel strongly about not firing shots at new businesses who are working hard to establish themselves. You had a good go at Jam in a Jar when it opened and now you've had a wee pop at Passion. Sometimes your targets are ill chosen and poorly sighted.
What's your world view on what our high street should be, Mr Kennedy?
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Read what I wrote, Phil. Whilst I'd allow a little leeway for a settling in period and seek to apply policy with humanity, as I wrote "I accept that where it's required, planning law and local policy should be the supreme reference points".
In my experience, the best planning and licensing officers work this way. No regulations are written without room for discretion. The margins of inconsistency occasioned by the application of discretion are, I believe wholly appropriate. The world is a messy place and sometimes needs mess-tolerant systems to cope.
It sounds like you'd argue for a rather rigid and inflexible application of the rules. This is perhaps where we disagree, rather than in the fundamentals of the issue.
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