Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
St Ann's LTN start date - 22 August
I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...
We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.
This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road. There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass.
Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic.
The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs! Drivers beware!
I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.
Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic
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LTN map.pdf, 834 KB -
LTN Doc.pdf, 1.1 MB
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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Thanks Geoff. I was not aware of the start date, nor the detail of where we can and cannot go.
I would be interested to hear your experiences- as a resident and a road user is it an inconvenience or do you feel the benefit?
There was an interesting George Monbiot piece in the Guardian yesterday on LTNs, worth a read.
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Permalink Reply by Geoff Amabilino on
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Hi Justin. Doesn't start for another three weeks, but while I appreciate that the through roads will benefit from cutting off the rat-run traffic, it is very inconvenient for those living within the area - for example to drive to St Ann's Rd (250yds), I would have to drive along West Green to Green lanes, and then up St Ann's. Sounds like increased pollution for those on the main roads and very heavy congestion.
I would have preferred to see people who had valid residents parking permits for those zones within the area to have automatic exemption - it's all on their IT systems after all!.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Yeah, I really don't get the reluctance to embrace this, Geoff. If the Woodlands area is like the Ladder very little of your traffic is generated by residents. The primary aim of the scheme is to reduce through traffic. A scheme with resident exemptions will achieve that and drastically reduce traffic. What remains, as we saw on the Ladder a few years back is minimal.
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My reluctance, Hugh, is that it will cause inconvenience to the residents it is supposed to benefit - hence the suggestion I made in the consultation that residents would get exemption if they had valid parking permits.
To be fair, I very rarely drive so won't be impacted much unless the buses are delayed by congestion.
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Precisely. I'd understand, and indeed would support, minimal exemptions if the result of exempting all residents was significant traffic within the LTN, but all the signs are that it would cause very little traffic. For me, it's about getting the balance right.
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Permalink Reply by AndrewAW1 on
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I assume you wouldn't actually be driving to St Ann's Rd though, surely you'd be going along there to continue on to another road so you'd just do the same from West Green Road.
Discouraging short resident journeys isn't the primary reason for the scheme but it is definitely one of the stated objectives. If that short drive becomes more awkward (and lots of journeys are of that nature) then maybe people will start to walk or cycle. If it's a long drive then another few minutes on the drive isn't much of an issue in the scheme of things.
They have a good range of exemptions for blue badge holders, etc (including those who don't necessarily live in the LTN) but I don't think rolling it out to all is going to meet the objectives of the scheme.
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I'll see if I can find anything.
The question came up on the video consultations repeatedly and that was the reason given.
Edit: point 12 here mentions it https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/hari...
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So far, the emphasis in the Zooms I've been in for the Ladder project has been on reducing through traffic plus health environmental benefits. I know that behaviour change is very much on their mind, but they seem loathe to really be up-front about it.
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Interesting. I wonder whether that is due to the ladder being wealthier with a higher percentage of car owners and aiming the sell at the people who live there. Or just coincidence
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Permalink Reply by Dick Harris on
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When I was working on the START housing project, we needed demographic data about the three wards around St Ann's hospital site, ie Harringay, St Ann's and Seven Sisters. I prepared the attached extract from 2011 census statistics. There wasn't much evidence of big differences in wealth or car ownership. Harringay had somewhat less social housing. I would be interested to see whether the 2021 census shows any big difference.
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