Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
St Ann's LTN start date - 22 August
I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...
We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.
This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road. There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass.
Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic.
The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs! Drivers beware!
I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.
Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic
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LTN Doc.pdf, 1.1 MB
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Permalink Reply by JulieB on
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My children went to Chestnuts and the Head was constantly trying to persuade parents not to drive to school, although this was years before School Streets and LTNs were invented.
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Permalink Reply by Chris on
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Julie
A little odd that they didn't choose to participate in the STARS program like so many other schools. A program that at one point was a necessary precursor to being deemed eligible for a School Street. Lots of words, no action.
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Huisfuis — If only life were as simple as you and JJ B make out…. The complaint from Ladder residents, and the starting point for LTNs, is claimed to be “through traffic”, much of it supposedly commuters from Hertfordshire, Enfield, etc, etc. Unfortunately, central London is still a major employment centre and vast numbers of people working here cannot afford to live near their work, or they want the green space and lower pollution they get living outside. I agree that many local Haringey journeys can be made on foot or bus, but unless there’s a revolution London will rely on commuters, not all of whom have access to public transport. Rampant consumerism may be bad, but changing that is a long-term prospect, and it’s no good simply saying that imposition of LTNs that hurt local people is the necessary precursor. If you’re going to make it much harder for people to get around by car, you need to offer better solutions first — something the council has conspicuously failed to do.
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Leaving to one side the not inconsiderable number of delivery drivers, tradespeople, the disabled and those working nights, it's hard to think of anyone else who can't use public transport to commute in. Cost and time is rarely an issue, what with the "congestion" charge and traffic jams. So what is the reason? I suggest it's a reluctance by some not to give up their lovely clean air-conditioned car (which they've spent a fortune on) for public transport. That's their choice but if their journey is now even longer, they may reconsider their travel choices. That's no bad thing. And many will be pleasantly surprised that public transport isn't always dirty, smelly, crowded, slow and expensive (though it sometimes is).
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You can't put aside the reality of the hard working freelancer or small medium enterprise (SME) worker... the nature of certain jobs requires transport suited to that job. i.e, I'm a camera operator that needs a car to transport 8 or so boxes of camera equipment, lighting gear and sound to any location within and without London at any time.
What about plumbers, electricians and carpenters who need to travel, collect/deliver or visit properties to work with their tools. I am sure you ALL benefit from their services from time to time. Do you think of the effect on their lives?
These LTNS are so ill conceived and simplistic...ie. car owners versus cyclists. It's a nonsense to believe that all residents are either unfit disabled or unhealthy residents who might or might not qualify for a Blue Badge (there are strict criteria involved) to enable them to fit around the LTN ..OR fit pedestrians taking their health seriously to want to walk or cycle everywhere to maintain their fitness in this way ....In fact it smacks of class and privilege. Try doing my job by bus or tube!
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Sorry, I appreciate I'm being a bit starry-eyed about this, Don. Re your comment, it would be interesting to see any stats, if there are any, on commuters from Hertfordshire and so forth, but as Andrew says wouldn't they be better advised to use public transport? And as far as I can see, there are loads of people pottering about in the area in big polluting status-symbol cars like BMWs and Audis and so forth. If you look at the number of deaths due to air pollution in London and the bigger picture of global warming, surely, without personally being vindictive towards car drivers, many of them need a good prod to change their ways, so while the LTN is annoying and will take time to bed in, I think it has to be the way forward
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I very much agree. There are other cities that do it. People just time to adapt. They need to be forced to do so.
The place has relatively good public transport provision although the costs are too high. But Brits settle for this political arrangement. They keep voting Tories back in.
Another problem is the division of responsibility between the Mayor and the individual councils resulting in piecemeal planning & funding.No doubt there will need to be changes to arrangements that really don’t work.
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Permalink Reply by HoL Site Admin on
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Let's stick to the issue, please. This thread is long enough without digressing into exchanges about empire-building and colonialism.
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Although it may be that without vehicles rat running, journeys around residential streets in the LTN would actually be quicker than before. We just don't know.
Maybe the current use of cargo bikes for last mile delivery will increase, FedEx, DHL, etc are already taking steps in that direction.
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Yes, the more avid supporters have been inculcated with the belief that they and the LTNs are somehow saving the planet. This comes with an implied calumny that those who oppose them wish to destroy it.
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Permalink Reply by Mavic Starfish on
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Talking of giving up cars, I was once part of the bulging eyed fraternity, in fact a full license holder of 40 years. That was until the ULEZ expansion meant that we had to scrap a perfectly good 1.6cc car with full MOT. So I too know the pain of not being able to make short and long journeys, with trips to the garden centre and the recycling centre relegated to a scepterd past. No more big bag shopping trips for me. Just coming up to a year and I don't miss the old banger at all, and actually quite grateful that I don't have to worry about driving down the wrong road at the wrong time and incurring a fine, let alone petrol prices, replacement parts, mechanic charges (ooooh looks like your big ends gone) and traffic. A brave new World.
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