Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Ending of Haringey Daily Visitor Permits to increase daily visitor parking charge by 164%
A parking review consultation run quietly at the start of the year seems to have been so little publicised that it attracted just 42 responses (augmented with another 58 garnered by phone).
The change it included that residents may feel most keenly is the abolition of daily visitor permits.
Currently Haringey's website gives the following prices for visitor permits:
Standard daily visitor permits are £5 and hourly are £1.20.
The "Parking Strategy and Policy/Charges Review, Appendix D: Updated parking permit policy / charges" shares the expectation that residents will henceforth be expected to make up a day's parking permit with hourly permits. For the Ladder where the CPZ runs from 08:00 to 18:30, this will require eleven hourly permits to make up a full day. If the hourly charge remains at £1.20, this will mean a total daily cost of £13.20, an increase of a mere 164%. The cutting below is extracted from that Appendix.
It's not clear to me why hourly permits should be less open to abuse than daily ones, but I'm all ears. If the primary motivation for this change was indeed to counter permit abuse, one would have thought it a fairly easy matter to protect residents from the affects of standing up to the abuse by simply putting a cap on daily charges like London Transport do. As far as I can make out, this hasn't happened.
At section 4.1 of the background papers (attached below), the Council has gone to the trouble of benchmarking the cost of daily business visitor permits. That's helpful. They looked at Camden, Islington, Ealing, Greenwich and Waltham Forest.
For some reason, no benchmarking was done on the cost of daily resident visitor parking costs. I've done my best to fill that gap. I've used the same boroughs and added Hackney since that was a missing neighbouring borough.
The current cost for a visitor to park in CPZ of those six boroughs for a day are as follows.
Camden: £8.79
Islington: £7.20 - £8.00 (on my calculationat £0.90 and £1.00 per hour)) discounted to £2.80 for 60+
Greenwich: Tradesmen £18.50 per week, and £9 per 10 vouchers (no information on time period validity)
Waltham Forest: £8.00 (at £1.00 per hour)
Hackney: £5.30.......................
...................vs Haringey: £13.20
....unless of course I'm misunderstanding Haringey's policy - only too happy to be set straight.
As part of the review, an Equality Impact Assessment (EIA) was run. As a part of that assessment, equality as it relates to socio-economic status was considered. In the case of the daily parking permits, the situation roughly divides the east of the borough, with all its indicators of deprivation, from the much wealthier west. In the west, two-hour CPZ predominate: in the east >8 hour zones are the rule. The shift from daily to hourly permits will barely affect the west of the borough, whereas it will have a significant impact on the east. The only outcomes noted under the socio-economic section of the EIA are "Positive", "Positive" and ... er ... "Positive". The unequal nature of the daily parking charge was not even considered. So the EIA as it relates to socio-economic status is badly flawed.
The change was part of a wider Parking strategy review that was passed by the Council last week. The recommendations of the review were adopted without dissent (see minute 48:30 of meeting on YouTube).
This change is unlikely to affect me personally but I fear that it may have an impact on some who are not is a strong position to absorb the increased charges.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I got a reply today to the email I sent to Seema Chandwani at the time I added this post. Before I post her reply, I’m just cross-checking a few things. Then I’ll post the totality of any answers I get.
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At section 4.1 of the background papers (added above in reply to a request by Alan S), the Council has gone to the trouble of benchmarking the cost of daily business visitor permits. That's helpful. They looked at Camden, Islington, Ealing, Greenwich and Waltham Forest.
For some reason, no benchmarking was done on the cost of daily resident visitor parking costs. I've done my best to fill that gap. I've used the same boroughs and added Hackney since that was a missing neighbouring borough.
The current cost for a visitor to park in CPZ of those six boroughs for a day are as follows.
Camden: £8.79
Islington: £7.20 - £8.00 (on my calculationat £0.90 and £1.00 per hour)) discounted to £2.80 for 60+
Greenwich: Tradesmen £18.50 per week, and £9 per 10 vouchers (no information on time period validity)
Waltham Forest: £8.00 (at £1.00 per hour)
Hackney: £5.30
vs Haringey: £13.20
....unless of course I'm misunderstanding Haringey's policy - only too happy to ne set straight.
(Copied to main post for ease of reference)
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Permalink Reply by AndrewAW1 on
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Some of the CPZs run 8am-10pm so even more for them. Or of course if you're in Crouch End it's £2.40.
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Permalink Reply by Rich on
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Yea, looking though https://new.haringey.gov.uk/parking/cpzs/all-cpz-hours this change will mainly impact the poorer ends of the Borough, I'd always assumed the CPZ were the same everywhere.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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That’s a really good point . Most of the CPZs with longer hours (so requiring more spending on hourly visitor permits) are in the east of borough meaning in effect that the richer west are being subsidised by the poorer east.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Worse, probably, if we live within easy walking distance of Spurs on match and other event days.
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Permalink Reply by Nigel on
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Precisely the sort of point that, if not in the papers before the Council when it decided, should be drawn to the HofH&P's attention and suggested he is bound to remit.
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As I pointed out elsewhere when the CPZs were implemented we were asked what hours we wanted and chose two hours to prevent commuters and dump parkers (mainly car hire companies dumping excess stock). If you chose all day parking...
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Sorry - we chose a 2 hour restriction when CPZs were imposed - it seems that the eastern part of the borough were happy with much longer controls - what Haringey are doing is dreadful but it is not the fault of Crouch End...
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I'm curious when and how that happened. I know the CPZs have been in place at least twenty years so quite a while ago I assume.
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Permalink Reply by Emma S on
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We weren’t given a choice. No-one is blaming anyone who lives in Crouch End, just stating a fact that it is the more affluent part of the borough and yet those in more deprived areas will have to pay considerably more which seems obviously unfair to me.
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We only had the choice between 8.30am - 6.30pm Monday to Friday or all week, and ended up with Monday to Friday. Would have been much happier with 2 hours, but was never offered it as a choice.
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