Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Please Help Us Raise £700 to Fund a Leaflet Printrun
For those of you who are active on HoL, you'll be very much aware of Haringey Council's transport study. This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity for all Harringay's residents to have their say on how best to reduce our excessive traffic burden. To that end, we want to ensure that all residents are FULLY informed on the options available.
Unlike Haringey Council, we do not have a juggernaut PR system pushing our message, or the money to pay for it. So we are asking for your help. We want to raise money to fund a print run of leaflets for Wightman and all the Ladder roads, plus other events to raise awareness.
If you'd like to help us raise funds for the second phase of our campaign; to create a safer, healthier, happier Harringay for everyone, then please click the link below which will take you to our Just Giving page.
Thank you.
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Permalink Reply by Antoinette on
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JoeW - is there any traffic survey data for the period after Wightman Road reopened?
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Permalink Reply by JoeW on
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@Antoinette "is there any traffic survey data for the period after Wightman Road reopened?"
I don't have any but if you want to do a rough check on your own road you could try counting the cars for 10 minutes, multiply by 6 and compare it with the same hour/day in Jan 2016:
Best to pick a fairly busy hour and you might need to do it a few times to make any extrapolations statistically reliable. I've tried this a couple of times on Wightman and the traffic - a constant stream in both directions - was almost exactly the same today as Fri 8 Jan 2016:
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For those who are interested, this is the data from the bus times before and during the bridge work.
It's clear that Mon-Fri southbound there was little difference, particularly in rush hour where the journey was actually quicker (note that the bus lane operates in this time).
At the weekends Southbound there were fewer busses and increased journey times. I would suggest that this is primarily down to the bus lane not operating at weekends and probably the increased congestion around the Arena junction.
Northbound is a bit different. There were more delays (although still the same number of busses) with delays peaking around 4 minutes and around 3 minutes in the evening rush hour.
At weekends there were few busses again (given the stability of the 20% figure this was clearly intentional from TFL).
The obvious difference between Southbound and Northbound is the bus lane. (Which incidentally I would suggest puts paid to previous claims from the trader's association that getting rid of the bus lane on Green Lanes wouldn't affect bus journey times.) I don't think the road is wide enough for two bus lanes. Removal of parking on Green Lanes may assist this (although the chances of that happening appear to be slim), a bus lane that switches direction is also an option. There are mitigation measures that are possible, it just depends on the will to implement them.
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I couldn't get that link to open. Is it just me?
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Permalink Reply by JulieB on
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It worked for me.
I think I've seen these stats before showing one day before and one day during the road closure for journeys on GL between St Anns Road and Manor House.
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This is an alternative link (formatting may not be as nice on this one) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ST_sGuN5lYpbUNAKhkgn7lzwh-V...
It is the average of the whole of January and whole of May so a few outliers shouldn't distort the picture.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I did a bit of analysis in case not everyone enjoys spreadsheets as much as me! Link to the thread below
http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/bus-journey-times-since...
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Have they ever looked at gating all the Ladder roads at the GL end? Make the access possible only from Wightman (thereby making them all two-way, but as they'd be access only that shouldn't be much of a problem, surely, especially since only 48% of residents own cars so there should be loads of passing spaces). Then Wightman would only be useful to people accessing destinations on Wightman or Ladder Roads, as the only other option would be to drive the length of it from the TPL junction. It could be chicaned for big lorries, and replanned so it's a 'healthy street' with lots of stuff in the way preventing cars from bombing down it.
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I think bollards in the middle or one end of each rung was on the long list of possible options but it didn't make it to the shortlist for the current engagement/consultation. I think the main reason given by the consultants was difficulties providing space for a turning circle for larger vehicles. Plus, it doesn't eliminate the residual rat-running traffic on Wightman i.e. from Turnpike Lane to GL via Wightman and Endymion.
Filtering Wightman with physical barriers along its length to turn each pair of rungs into a loop back to GL is a more elegant solution which avoids the turning circle issue and is more effective at eliminating rat-running.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Antoinette, you say you live in Umfreville and work south of the ladder. How then are you in any position to comment on traffic on the ladder, especially north of Seymour Rd? I think you just enjoy trolling us which isn't very nice. I bet even Don winced at your suggestion to post about the consultation on social media sites for far flung boroughs home to our non-local rat runners.
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I never claimed to speak for the entire ladder. Wince away - it's happening.
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John: No, I'm not wincing! As it happens, I don't do social media apart from HoL, but I suggest you should look at Stroud Green's equivalent site (http://www.stroudgreen.org/discussion/6367/wightman-road-closure-su...), which has many comments from their residents who suffered very badly from the 2016 closure. My contention has always been that Wightman closure has unfair consequences for neighbouring areas and this reinforces the point, so I very much hope SG residents will comment directly to Haringey on the current plans.
Criticising Antoinette for posting is completely unreasonable. Last time I looked, Umfreville was just as much a ladder road as Fairfax, Warham or Cavendish; and, besides, who says only some Harringay residents are entitled to post on this topic? This is exactly the kind of "exclusivity" that gives the Wightman closure campaign such a bad odour - the assumption that the only people affected (and therefore whose views count) are those who live there. Antoinette is equally as entitled to comment as you are.
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