Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
'NO' to Ending free bulky waste collections and closing the recycling centre
Haringey's current budget proposals will see the end of free bulky and green waste collections and the closure of one of the recycling centres.
These changes are likely to spell real trouble in this borough. It will inevitably lead to a significant increase in dumping with the poorest areas being hardest hit.
Research has shown that introducing a charge can lead to a drop in demand for collections of 50-75% on previous levels. Fly-tipping will increase as a result.
An alternative approach to introducing a collection charge would be to limit or reduce the number of items accepted for free, and/or the number of free collections allowed per year.
An alternative to closing the recycling centre would be to control who uses the centre and make a small charge as appropriate.
The cabinet meets to decide on this issue in two weeks' time. Whilst the consultation is now closed you can still email the cabinet member responsible (peray.ahmet@haringey.gov.uk) and copy your councillor.
Budget proposals: http://www.haringey.gov.uk/local-democracy/policies-and-strategies/...
Survey (CLOSED 22 JAN): http://www.haringey.gov.uk/survey/budget-2017-18
Tags for Forum Posts: rubbish, waste collection, waste collection charges
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Permalink Reply by Charlotte on
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Why would the council not know whether their employees are using the app. When you register on the app you use an email address. So council phones would be registered to a council number and email address wouldn't they? They can't expect their employees to use their personal email address on a work phone / work supplied apps.
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If the system is broke don't fix it. Is that what we are all happy with.
The system is not working!!!!!!!
It is about to get worse!!!!!
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Lack of accountability explains why more and more people find that going straight to Veolia to report issues is more effective. Ask yourself why should you. Are you their clients? No, the council is - I pay my taxes to them for a reason. They chose to be their clients so they are responsible for making it work however way. And I agree with some members here on the forum that it would be very interesting to see where and what funds are being spent on and to what extent are all these surveys we're being asked to fill are being heard. Local democracy functions properly when there is a clear feedback loop. So here we have a borough that is 1) top in fly-tipping 2) top in homelessness counts and 3) doesn't quite have the greatest record in social care. Having lived in many areas of London and just recently moved into the area I can tell you something is not right. All councils are being squeezed of funds yet the differences in, say, the levels of litter on the streets are staggering. It is NOT an excuse.
You may agree or disagree but I think there are really two culprits for prolific street littering and dumping. Anti-social school children/youths (I noticed how much cleaner my street was during the half term) and cowboy builders. Both of these we can prevent. The first, by getting teachers to stop virtue signalling about global warming and instead teach children at a young age that care for the environment starts at their doorstep. For the second the next time you hire a builder, really quiz them on their waste management and make sure they have the logistics to dispose of it. The money you save by hiring these crooks is being paid for by the rest of us.
London is a city of 8 million and it takes a tiny portion to ruin the streets. It should not be to anyone's surprise that not all may conform to the things that make for a happy community. Therefore we must a) prioritize spend on keeping the borough cleaner b) impose much more punitive penalties on those who offend and c) make sure b) is clearly communicated through signposts (City of London Hampstead Heath has some pretty serious signposts. You know it means business). If the present authorities cannot achieve the most basic of these tasks, then I will certainly not be voting for them (as a conservative I wouldn't be anyway;)! A fellow here mentioned the referendum. Yes, it was a vote against the notion that people are simply there to be managed and coerced rather than governed. A vote against the idea that people are redundant to governance and that we no longer own it, we are not in control of it yet we are forced to obey it and forced to pay for it even when it does things we hate. It was a vote against a particular political entity that exemplifies this mindset. I moved here from SW London and I absolutely love it here. Other boroughs could only dream of the green space and abundance of wildlife that Harringay encompasses. Let's not let the quasi-corporatized authorities neglect this. Happy to form a more formal quorum or discuss at the pub!
Z
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I was happy to finally read a highly literate post here and--a first (to me) for a UK site--the use of the term "virtue signaling". Not surprisingly (save that it's on this site ... which is surprising), I see the mention of "conservative' on down. Everything falls into place.
This is not to say that the rest do not care or anything approaching that. But they tend to use a lot of words and narrative rather than even attempting to approach a root, or at least a symptom of the issue, in your case, education.
For my own part, I can accept cowboy construction as a symptom, but ultimately to me it's socialism and its badges and incidents: Someone gets something for free, or far below market value, they have zero pride of having worked for something and zero respect for their neighbours and community. You see manifestations of this around you and discussed throughout this forum, be it this topic or the one about the people urinating in open view. It's all fruit from the same poisonous tree.
Might take you up on that pub invite....
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What does anyone get for free?
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Why teachers? Why kids? There are plenty of adults littering and spitting. I believe that kids do as you do and not what you say and that it is parents' responsibility to teach their kids basic manner. Litter attracts litter.
I would add dodgy landlords to your list - all those mattresses and broken wardrobes ....
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Totally agree about landlords dumping. I'm a frequent reporter and this morning sent in a report after seeing the usual load of pissy mattresses and other household items dumped against the wall of the bookies on Warham. I report a couple of these each week, every week, in just the area I live in. Multiply that across the borough and you can see how rogue landlords contribute to the problem. As for kids dropping litter, yes some do, but I doubt they are responsible for the empty lager cans I pick out of my front garden
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Everybody has a part to play but nothing will change without education at all levels. Many smokers have given up as the result of being nagged by their children who learned about the dangers at school.
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Permalink Reply by Katie K on
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Hello,
I cc'd Peray Ahmet into an email I sent last week to my 3 councillors in West Green about these issues, as I wanted to know what they thought and how they had voted on them. I have had no replies at all from my councillors, but today I received the response appended below from Peray by email which poses many more questions for me than it answers.
I've seen somewhere that the council are due to have a final vote on the budget proposals in the next few days, so if you were thinking about emailing your councillors about this, now's the time to do it.
Katie
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Dear Katie
Free bulky waste collection must continue
Thank you for your email and please accept my apologies for the delay in responding to you.
As you will know, Haringey has a longstanding problem with fly-tipping which costs us over £5million per year to clear. In order to meet some of these costs, the Council has considered the evidence relating to the increase in fly-tipping when a charge for bulky waste removal is introduced. Over 75% of London boroughs currently charge for this service and there has been no conclusive evidence to date of any increase in fly-tipping as a result of the imposition of a charge.
The Council’s enforcement team gather evidence on a daily basis to enforce against the minority of people who are responsible for fly-tipping. They are served with a fixed penalty notice of up to £400.00. Again, this charge is comparable to the charge imposed by other London boroughs. The enforcement team has also been proactive in enforcing against the minority who are caught dropping litter. The Council is working to discourage the minority who drop litter and fly tip by informing residents of the penalty via twitter and other social media. We are keen to educate before enforcing wherever appropriate.
Our aim is to have cleaner streets and encourage residents to dispose of their litter responsibly. To this end, I have attached a map that shows all the refuse and recycling centres in Haringey and the neighbouring boroughs. The North London Waste Authority (NLWA), of which Haringey is a member, aims to have 95% of North London residents within two miles of their nearest refuse and recycling centre.
Like the vast majority of local authorities, Haringey is facing difficult choices regarding the services that we can provide in a time of austerity. Our aim is to continue to provide the best services that we can within the budget that is available for diverse needs across the borough. We will continue to monitor recycling rates in line with the charge and I am sure that we will be able to provide further information in the coming months to support our introduction of a charge for bulky waste removal.
I hope that this information has been helpful in addressing the points you raised below. Please don’t hesitate to get in touch should you have any further inquiries.
Kind regards
Peray
Cllr Peray Ahmet
Cabinet Member for Environment
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Map of North London R&Rs.pptx, 1.1 MB
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You're quite right, I think it was a cut 'n paste response as it didn't even address the green waste issue which was one of my specific questions to her.
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Crikey, I've just seen the spat, how embarrassing and counterproductive.
Perhaps I am naive, but I find it staggering that that the leader on the Environment is the cheerleader for these cuts. What about Haringey's commitment to 40:20?
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She can't be "sacked" as she isn't employed by the Council. If you want her out, you have to.vote her out.
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