At last - a Turkish Restaurant for Harringay

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Permalink Reply by DTW on December 17, 2016 at 1:34

Yes - but isn't the point that while you (myself included) want and would shop at this diversity the vast majority wouldn't. If they did we would have more variation as there is loads of potential shop frontage

Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on December 18, 2016 at 13:58

For want of anything better to do today, I counted the number of individual shop units that were trading as A3 and A5 (apologies, I typed A2 on a previous post I did) as I walked down Green Lanes.
A3 use is defined retaurants and cafés and A5 as takeaways. Some of the individual units have been knocked into twos and threes but between Salisbury Road and Harringay Green Lanes station there are 38 units where this type of trading has been agreed by Haringey. Most of them had few, if any, patrons in them.
Isn't this a sign of overstauration of this kind of planning permission on Green Lanes?

Permalink Reply by Gordon T on December 18, 2016 at 16:32

Overstauration, n. - the condition of being all restauranted out.

"For want of anything better to do" - sounds like it was otherwise a positively Hancockian Sunday afternoon.

Seriously, Michael, thank you for actual data - much more useful than the pages of hand-waving . 

Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on December 18, 2016 at 16:46

Well, it was either that or counting the cars doing three point turns in the middle of the road.

Permalink Reply by Abi on December 18, 2016 at 17:09

So...because of your afternoon counting shop fronts, we're supposed to conclude that the market is over-saturated.

Do matters such as footfall and the apparent degree of success of the businesses in question not enter the equation then, or will you be leaving it till the new year to conduct that particular survey?

Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on December 18, 2016 at 19:15

OK. Instead of the count being on that particular stretch of Green Lanes, imagine 38 shop units selling food in the equivalent length of road between Turnpike Lane and Wood Green Shopping City. Does that sound like a healthy, diverse high street?

For the great majority of the day these premises are empty of people. It it is the case that a few premises selling food have no custom until the evening that can be sustainable, but when a large proportion of the units on a particular high street are more or less unused during the day, is that really adding much to the local economy?

Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on December 19, 2016 at 7:03

I've had a look at Haringey's Unitary Development Plan for the Green Lanes shopping area

6.21 Green Lanes: Classified as a District Centre it is made up of 214 units comprising of 32,284m2 floorspace. Within the centre itself many of the shops are independently run by members of the Turkish and Kurdish communities. It is evident that the centre has evolved from being a focus for the Greek Cypriot community as it was at the time of the last UDP. There is also a strong night time economy with a broad range of take away/restaurants. However, the majority of land use should remain in retail, to ensure that the daytime economy and activity is preserved.

It seems pretty clear to me that the stated aim to to retain retail (A1) use.

There are also policies about the retention of retail in policies TCR3 and TCR5 - link to the policy document below.

http://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/udp_saved_poli...

Permalink Reply by Pat on December 19, 2016 at 7:40

I walked from Iceland to Sainsbury at 8pm last night. Green Lanes was very busy as usual and every restaurant I walked past was neary full, even the new one on the corner of Kimberley Gardens, and that location seems to have the kiss of death. The Street looked very healthy.

Permalink Reply by 362nau3hys02b on December 19, 2016 at 23:27

I'm not sure where you've derived that view from, but it's entirely incorrect.

Planning are simply unable to turn down an application based of the ethnicity of the proposed outlet. And rightly so.

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Permalink Reply by HoL Site Admin on December 20, 2016 at 9:43

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