Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Government Petition Website: EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum
Anything's worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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I think this is the beginning of the end of one party governments in the U.K.
I suspect a Social/Liberal coalition, if there were one, could win an election. Corbyn's socialist party is fine, but will never acheive an outright win, so perhaps a Socialist + Social/Liberal coalition?
The tories are going to have to decide whether they run a coalition with UKIP. A majority of #Leave voters won't vote tory, but will they vote for Johnson?
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Permalink Reply by Angela on
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I did wonder about this last night, ie, are some of the signatories hoping for a stronger Leave campaign
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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Ha! But he's right, a referendum decision should be set at a higher level.
LSquared, excellent explanation re kettles. I think a lot of leave voters were/are also worried about immigrants leaping of kettles and taking their jobs ...
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Did you read this in the Guardian on Saturday Matt?
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Excellent analysis of the corner almost everyone has painted themselves into.
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Permalink Reply by Protheroe O'Shea on
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Which article was this?
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Ah it was a comment.
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Try this link to the comment:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-em...
Posted by 'Teebs' in the live Brexit updates page of the Guardian, yesterday.
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It's very good analysis Stephen. Could end up with a right winger leading the tories. Who might that be? Or Cameron, Boris, Osborne will do a deal to somehow steer the country away from an exit ... using a general election or 2nd referendum. I think the Scottish tory leader should have a role somewhere. Maybe Shakespere has the answer!
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