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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

This may not be news to you but not only are Ladder roads affected and Turnpike Lane but the whole of Hornsey Park road is blocked from the junction to Mayes road and beyond. So i turned around and went through Ally Pally to get to Hornsey and the whole of High Street and Priory Road to bottom of Muswell Hill is at a standstill. God knows what rush hour will be like each day and once kids back at school.

That's my rant for the day over.

Tags for Forum Posts: traffic, wightman bridge, wightman bridge closure

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I think they expected it. There was signage as far away as Archway. It sounds like there could have been more, but I don't know how these things work. It may be that the orthodoxy is that no matter how much you put up, it's never enough. So you stop where you stop.

If there are signs that far afield, they haven't worked! As someone says on another thread, the problem is there are only so many ways to get across the railway, so which other routes can people take without going miles out of their way? Now ensconced at home, cat on the mend, I have to say I'm enjoying the absence of lorries thundering up our road (Falkland) and making our windows shake. Could get used to that!

Apparently, part of the problem today was that Seven Sisters Road was also blocked by a water main burst. That would have caused huge problems on any day, but today it just wasn't needed.

Glad to hear you got home eventually!

"A lot of people could die..."

Please altert all emergency services, the Government and Haringey Council about this now. It sounds too serious to ignore.

Two No-Entry signs at the Willoughbby Rd end of Hampden Rd were spray painted out, and a relatively insignificant No through access to Wightman Rd yellow sign put up on the nearest lamppost but that was about 10 metres into Hampden Rd. So cars had already turned into Hampden Rd before they saw/didn't see the sign. Why those no entry signs couldn't have been replaced with dead end signs is beyond me. But perhaps they will materialise in the coming days.

Willoughby road has become a bottleneck as drivers try and shave seconds off their journey to Turnpike Lane and then get stuck. The danger is with drivers getting angry and doing three point turns to get out of the gridlock, they are seeing red and not looking at who may or may not be trying to cross the roads. And then speeding off. I saw so much frustration walking the dog today.

On the plus side I chatted with neighbours in my street who I'd never spoken to in all these years. Chiefly to tell them what was going on and to direct them to this website for info. I might have to organise a street party, it all felt very 'Blitz spirit'!

I hope people will help each other out especially those who are relying on buses that are stuck! 

You are right Delacey68 about some dangerous driving going on as people get frustrated and don't look enough. I had a few close calls today with drivers at the last minute and with no warning deciding to turn out of the traffic jam and who just didn't notice me crossing the side road.... 

A few people have said similar things earlier in this thread. interestingly I did a cause a few years of that touched on transport policy and we looked at the concept of community severance. It looked at analysis of the kind of journeys people took by foot in their local area in low traffic/low speed environments  vs high traffic/high speed environments. There was a great graphic that I cannot now find that showed a massive reduction in journeys by foot, and an especially marked reduction in journeys across the road (as you might imagine).

The impact was that increasingly less and less people knew their neighbours as they did not bump into them in the street, or were not able to get across the road to talk to friends, kids played out less and parents therefore interacted less... The net effect was much lower quality community spirit, folks stop looking out for their (now anonymous) neighbours, information about traffic closures (for example)  is not spread by word of mouth as it used to. We all need things to bring us together, being able to cross the road certainly helps!

Tuesday at 19:15:

Currently there is traffic backed-up past my flat in Stapleton Hall Road, near the library.

Suspect it's also backed-up down Oakfield Road and then along Endymion Road.

Be surprised if traffic is flowing normally on Alroy Road.

Having just come back from Priory Road, that is blocked as is Hornsey High Street, Middle Lane, Tottenham Lane.....everywhere in fact!  I got off the W3 and walked to Hornsey Station (although that journey was also a nightmare as the trains are delayed).

I simply don't agree that this is going to greatly improve over time as people adapt and find new routes. Why this is causing so much chaos is the geography of the railway line and people needing to cross it. There has been lots of notice and people have researched alternatives it is just there are only a few places to cross the railway. One is the bottom of wightman road (the bridge they are strengthening has closed this crossing). The others are finsbury park, priory road, ali pally, bounds green. Priory Road is no longer an option due to gridlock caused by closure of the entirety of wightman road, so people are diverting to Ali pally which now also has major gridlock so the next choice is bounds green (which isn't much of a choice if you live either side of the ladder). I can't vouch for south as didn't drive it today but north all crossings were mayhem with knock on chaos for the entire area. These are area's not served well by tube and the alternative is buses who are also caught up in the chaos. Leaving the rest of wightman road open, past the actual bridge works, is in this instance, sensible. 

I think we all need to wait and see, Nicole. Traffic modelling done by the Council suggests that the traffic will disperse, but it was never going to happen on Day 1.

Well, the traffic is doing a good job of dispersing itself all through Crouch End at the moment. It's difficult to see what alternative it has. Perhaps it's just wishful-thinking by the council that things will get better after day 1.

It took me 1hr 15mins to get from Finsbury Park to CE by W7, which included a 45mins wait to get on a bus; the bus queue was all around the block. CE-ers I spoke to in the queue had not heard of the Wightman Road closure, or had no idea it would impact all the way to F Park, and beyond. 

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