Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Council announces £300,000 for 'traffic calming" in 'The Gardens' area of Harringay
The following is a press release from Haringey Council:
A local community will help redesign the street layout of their neighbourhood through a Haringey Council project that will see the area transformed.
The Gardens area off Green Lanes in Harringay has been chosen for the Community Streets neighbourhood improvement project.
The project will look at several key elements including innovative traffic calming design, reclaiming space, designing the streets for people rather than traffic, and promoting healthy and environmentally friendly transport modes.
The first year of the two year project will involve regular meetings with the local community to agree proposals and plan the street works which will begin next year.
The council has asked Sustrans, the UK’s leading transport charity who completed the successful Turnpike Lane DIY Streets project last year, to work with them again to get the community involved.
Haringey's Cabinet Member for the Environment, Cllr Nilgun Canver, said:
"Community engagement is key to the success of this project. It will give the initiative back to residents and allow them to create a space suitable for people to meet, socialise, and play. I hope everyone will get involved and take this opportunity to help design their own neighbourhood."
The project is funded by the council and TfL and will focus on the Gardens neighbourhood, including: Chesterfield, Cleveland, Devon, Doncaster, Essex, Grafton, Kimberley, Portland, Rutland, Stanhope, Sussex and Warwick Gardens.
These roads were chosen because they are near to Green Lanes and will complement the upcoming town centre improvements.
The project will be completed by July 2014.
A community engagement event for Community Streets will take place on the 29 September in Grafton/Doncaster Gardens and will be linked with the Garden Residents' Association 10 year anniversary celebrations for their Community Garden.
Project newsletter attached.
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Permalink Reply by Joe Bailey on
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I suppose Sustrans will "cleverly" plant more trees in the middle of the roads like they did off Turnpike Lane (I nearly hit one turning a corner the other day; who would expect a tree in the road?!)!
Seems like a complete waste of money to me - as others have said, there's very little traffic on the Garden roads... That is, apart from those who live there and have passes for the already expensive barrier which the rest of the borough's residents pay towards!
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Permalink Reply by Gordon Curtis on
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Just to clear up a little confusion on the subject, the calming measures are not in place because of the volume of traffic - as many of you have pointed out, the Gardens are blissfully quiet! But more to do with the speed at which some cars are travelling (specifically Kimberley Gardens I was told).
Does the ladder have a residents association to lobby for this kind of award on its behalf?
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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Intersting- and makes sense. Richard said something similar above in this thread a moment ago. The good thing about traffic is when there is to much it moves slowly.... I guess once you cut traffic flow off there is a risk those left could hoon around in the new found space. (Do they really use the bottom of the road for handbreak turns?)
As to a Ladder Association, I guess you are pretty much looking at it (HoL)? Not sure I know of anything formal... Is there one?
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Handbreak turns - yes I've seen it and heard it at the bottom of Kimberley Gardens on several occasions.
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Permalink Reply by Julie on
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I live near the end of Kimberley Gardens and have seen a couple of crashes and various near misses where cars turn at speed. We also lost a wing-mirror once when we stupidly forgot to fold it in.
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Have the LCSP become such a ghostly presence that it takes 12 hours to answer Gordon's question? Answer in a bottle please - a wave will waft it to our shores sometime.
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Hello Hugh, thanks for posting.
This cannot come soon enough.
Some cars are being raced up and down the Gardens Roads at stomach-churning speeds. I would put some speeds at at least 60 mph maybe 70.
Plus we have a lot of 'white vans' driven at excessive speeds.
I live on Kimberley and I'm amazed noone has been killed yet. We badly need traffic calming to stop these people.
I'd like to make it clear to a few people who have posted on this that the Gardens has no traffic calming at all. The Ladder does at least have speed humps so the racers keep away.
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If speed calming is all that's required, would a few road humps, like we have on the Ladder roads not suffice?
Speed humps would presumably cost a lot less than £300 000, and could also be implemented far quicker - potentially within months, and not years.
If calming speed is all that's required, and is in such urgent need, I cannot think of one good reason to either spend so much money, or take so long both to plan and put measures in place.
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Speed humps are a very crude way of traffic calming.
You'll find that kamikaze drivers, white van man and wide axel vehicles don't treally care about them any way.
Attractive redesigning of the general street environment can have the same effect but also enhance the quality of the street scene for residents, with consequent imprvement to life in the neighbourhood all round.
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@JJ B
This brings us right back to the point others have raised then. Why are speed humps good enough for everyone else, and not good enough for those who live in the Gardens? Is there something special about the Gardens that us Ladder residents are not aware of? We have already got far more traffic and only have road humps to calm speed. We don't even have rising bollards and I see no real reason for the apparent discrimination shown by Haringey Council and Sustrans...
If humps are too crude, let's assess this over the whole borough to make a borough wide scheme, not one just for a seemingly elitist and already pseudo-private estate.
As it is only the residents of the Gardens who will benefit from this, perhaps anything over and above what others have should be funded by locals, not by everyone else.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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Very very true. Shame when they tinkered with the Ladder traffic flow, they went for the speed humps option. Does anyone remember far enough back to pre-speed humps to recall if Ladder residents in any roads were offered option B i.e. attractive re-design? (or, indeed, to keep it general, if any area who has speed humps was offered any other options)
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I remember life pre Ladder road humps and one-way streets Liz, no such options were presented to us Ladder residents.
It went from 30mph two-way on most (or all) of the Ladder roads to 20mph one way with little consultation - with the inevitable increase in speed as a result despite the reduction in speed limit.
Then there was no option but to have road-wide humps / tables installed. Of course there wasn't - the council had in effect made speed-ways out of each road by removing the natural obstacle of cars coming the other way.
At no stage were we offered pretty things!
@JJ B - if a hump is of sufficient size, and shape, nobody escapes. Anyone who tries damages the undercarriage of their vehicle.
If it's so important to have pretty streets, might Haringay consider re-surfacing the tarmac pavements which look worse than a patchwork quilt up our end of the Ladder roads, before making things more pretty elsewhere? We have trip-hazards that nobody seems to care about. Why should Gardens get preferential treatment?
As I've said before - if the speed of some vehicles on the Gardens is such a problem, then road humps could be installed cheaply and quickly. Why wait for someone to "get killed" just to have something pretty come along in two years?! Seems to be some strangely twisted thinking there.
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