Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Wards Corner alternative plan launched - planning meeting looms
The Wards Corner Community Coalition has now lodged its own plan with the Council’s Planning Department.
The wordpress website is now ‘live’ and all documents relating to the community plan can be viewed here. See drawings of how the buildings can come back to life, and details of proposed management structures and funding.
Meanwhile more nifty moves from the council friends of Grainger the developer shows that they are more determined than ever to push through the wholesale demolition of the area. They have added an extra Labour Party member to the planning committee, so now there will be six Labour to four Liberal Democrat. Last time, with nine on the committee, it decided by five votes to four, to reject the Grainger plan.
The meeting on the new railroaded-through Grainger plan is on Monday 25th June, 7pm, at the Civic Centre in Wood Green. It's not too late to add your comments about the plan, they will be circulated to the members of the committee. See here, click Comment on Application. Reading through others' comments will give you some idea of the issues involved.
Tags for Forum Posts: grainger, planning, seven sisters, ward's corner
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Permalink Reply by Christopher Fowler on
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Alan, if you mean Marx, I'm afraid I fail to understand your comment.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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"Alan, if you mean Marx, I'm afraid I fail to understand your comment."
I mean that Marxian insights may help us at least to understand some of the problems we face - if not to solve them. Not forgetting Engels, of course on the Housing Question. (I'm reading David Harvey, Rebel Cities.)
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Permalink Reply by JJ B on
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Be careful.
When people using Cosmos News -certainly not mnay white gentrifiers! - were told that that building was due for demolition, Mrs Patel managed to get many many of her clients to sign a petition. Do you use that News Agents?
Look at the real data in Grainger's own Com Res report and you'll see that even THEIR OWN FIGURES don't abck up the arguments about how the local residenst feel. Look here - comment 394 addendum
http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/Applica...
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Hi JJB. Don't worry, old chap, I am always careful. Not sure if I have ever used Cosmos News, though I think I have. My regular newsagent is Maqsood on Green Lanes, and jolly nice they are too. Strongly recommended
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So you don't live on this side of Haringey then? Do you use any of the shops here in Seven Sisters? Have you gone into Tottenahm Wines Serving many locals since for over 26 years, selling many drinks that you don't get in Tesco's and at a cheaper price too!. They have tried to do work to the front of their shop but the Council says its in a Consevation area so they can't.
Have you used our local optometrist the Eye Practice? There has been an optometrist serving our community there since the 1930's That's our area that other similar services have abandoned.You get personal service at Moaz' and all round eye health care. Not like in the conveyor belt Specsavers 15 minute visits.
This will all disappear for us to benefit fromnatioanl multiples who will invest in the area>>. If you believe that then you believe anything.
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No, JJB, I don't actually live on "this side of Haringey". I live in the N15 (South Tottenham) postal district, and in the Tottenham constituency. I don't use the specific shops that you mention, but I do use other shops around the area. My mother-in-law lives down the street and I do all her shopping.
I'm sorry if to you this makes me a "foreigner" or some kind of "alien", and that I therefore have no right to make a comment. However, as a long-time resident of Haringey, I think I do. I'd be interested to know how close to Wards Corner one has to live to qualify under your rules to make a comment. Or is it to do with my skin colour, or my socio-economic background? Please let us all know who, in your view, is allowed to comment, so that those of us who are excluded by you can stop wasting our time, and just stick to events in our own patch.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Christopher of the many points you've made in connection with Wards Corner, I find the only remarks I can agree with, are your critical comments about the one-way Gyratory System. This could have been inspired by the 1964 Birmingham Bull Ring Centre. Wikipedia's comments about the infamous 1960's Bull Ring seem to have resonance today:
The 1960s Bull Ring Centre had problems from the beginning and was very much a product of its era. At the time of its opening it was considered the height of modernity, but higher rentals within the shopping centre meant that traders turned away from it. The public were also less inclined to use the subways and escalators, which stopped working regularly. Also, it did not age well and soon became generally regarded as an unfortunate example of 1960s Brutalist architecture, with its boxy grey concrete design and its isolation within ringroads connected only by pedestrian subways. It was, in later days, much disliked by the public and contributed to the popular conception that Birmingham was a concrete jungle of shopping centres and motorways
I wonder who might have been responsible for designing and promoting the Tottenham Gyratory?
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Clive - It's nice that at least one comment I made about this whole issue of re-development in (South) Tottenham has received some support. I claim no monopoly on being right or correct on the wider issue; I merely state my opinions. Your reference to the Bull Ring is quite apposite. In the early sixties there was a combination of brutalist architecture coming to the fore (another notorious example is the South Bank Centre); and the obsession amongst politicians and planners with the motor-car. At that time, it was believed that buses, trains and all public transport were of the past, and the future was that we would all drive everywhere in our cars. We now see throughout the country the results of that policy: disastrous congestion, pollution, and the marginalisation of those with too little income to have a car. The Gyratory is in process of being turned back to two-way traffic, which should be a huge benefit to the area. Other posters here have pointed out that the High Road will become a five-lane two-way super-highway, but this is part of a more general problem. That is, that it constitutes a major north-south route, and plans for it favour the "outsiders" who use it as a corridor, rather than those who live in the area and use its shops etc. That is why, in an earlier post, I said I looked forward to the day when we have road pricing, and people have to pay a cost per mile for using this kind of road. It will push motorists out of their cars and onto public transport. That will benefit all, but most of all the motorists, who might actually walk around and get some exercise. We are the leading country in Europe for being overweight or obese. Look at the dominance of the motor-car, compare it with the much wider use of public transport in other European countries, and you will see that is one of the reasons.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Maybe the public transport in other countries is more reliable ? I had to wait 25 minutes yesterday morning for a bus which is supposed to run every 10-12 minutes. And of course then there was a convoy of 3.
If I use my car, I'm already subject to road pricing - petrol costs.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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Blame Boris then, you voted for him.. and he's been in charge of transport for how long now?
You would have been quick off the mark if anyone else had been mayor of London.
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Just to explain. It is annoying that more than one bus arrives after waiting a long time, but it really is quite simple to explain:
Bus 1: delayed for some reason en route, begins to run later and later than scheduled picking up not only it's passengers, but also those who would normally travel behind.Bus 2: Still to running schedule, gradually picks up less passengers than normal, because they all crowd on to Bus 1 and eventually catches it up.
Bus 3: Also picking up fewer passengers than usual due to the irregular running in front, either starts to run early or the driver will have to start hanging about at bus stops, causing irritation among it's passengers, as well as causing problems for buses further behind who begin to pick up more passengers than usual. Starting the cycle all over again.
The drivers of Buses 2 & 3 may also be finishing their duties at the next changeover point, so may not have any inclination to hold back and finish late.
In the days before radio controlling, 'route inspectors' would stand at important points along the route, regulating the service by holding back buses if necessary. These days, less importance is put on buses running exactly to schedule and rather more to giving a regular evenly spaced out service.
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