Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Harringay Passage - Fines for dog dirt and rubbish dumping
This from Haringey's Website today (Thanks to Liz for spotting this one):
People who allow dogs to foul the pathway and who dump rubbish in the streets risk being fined £75 in a new crackdown by council enforcement officers.
Starting with Haringey 's ladder area in Green Lanes the council has sent a letter to residents to report those who do not clean up after their dogs in the Haringey Passage or who dump rubbish there.
The council has pledged to fine anyone found dumping or fouling the area a £75 fixed penalty notice which must be paid on time or it can rise to £2,500.
Cllr Nilgun Canver, cabinet member for enforcement and safer communities, said:
"Some areas of the Passage are being spoilt by a minority of people who still dump rubbish and allow dogs to foul the footways. This type of anti-social behaviour cannot be allowed to spoil the local environment and residents' enjoyment of it. If you see someone dumping rubbish or letting their dog mess the Passage without cleaning up after it, please let us know and we will look into it."
Street Enforcement Officers can issue a fixed penalty notice of £75 to anyone they find dumping rubbish or allowing dogs to foul the footway. Those who fail to pay the fixed penalty are prosecuted and can receive a maximum fine of £2,500.
If you see anyone dumping rubbish on the street, other than normal domestic rubbish for collection, or dog owners not picking up after their pets, let Enforcement Services know on: 020 8489 5230 and ask to speak to a Street Enforcement Office.
The Council can also help residents dispose of rubbish or bulky Items, call: 020 8885-7700. There is a free collection service for white goods such as fridges and freezers and other goods can be picked up for a small fee.
People who allow dogs to foul the pathway and who dump rubbish in the streets risk being fined £75 in a new crackdown by council enforcement officers.
Starting with Haringey 's ladder area in Green Lanes the council has sent a letter to residents to report those who do not clean up after their dogs in the Haringey Passage or who dump rubbish there.
The council has pledged to fine anyone found dumping or fouling the area a £75 fixed penalty notice which must be paid on time or it can rise to £2,500.
Cllr Nilgun Canver, cabinet member for enforcement and safer communities, said:
"Some areas of the Passage are being spoilt by a minority of people who still dump rubbish and allow dogs to foul the footways. This type of anti-social behaviour cannot be allowed to spoil the local environment and residents' enjoyment of it. If you see someone dumping rubbish or letting their dog mess the Passage without cleaning up after it, please let us know and we will look into it."
Street Enforcement Officers can issue a fixed penalty notice of £75 to anyone they find dumping rubbish or allowing dogs to foul the footway. Those who fail to pay the fixed penalty are prosecuted and can receive a maximum fine of £2,500.
If you see anyone dumping rubbish on the street, other than normal domestic rubbish for collection, or dog owners not picking up after their pets, let Enforcement Services know on: 020 8489 5230 and ask to speak to a Street Enforcement Office.
The Council can also help residents dispose of rubbish or bulky Items, call: 020 8885-7700. There is a free collection service for white goods such as fridges and freezers and other goods can be picked up for a small fee.
Tags for Forum Posts: dog, dog poo, dumping, litter, passage
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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The idea of a blitz from street enforcement is a good one as another thought that strikes me about the council's 'Be a pooper snooper' idea is that most of the fouling is clearly done very late at night or early in the morning (just in time for morning school) when nobody is about. The incident Martha and I saw is rare and anyway, mums (or dads) with kids are not simply not able to deal with these things when we see them and should not be expected to.
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You know, I hate to keep on about this but the statement above said letters had been sent out to residents on the Ladder and Hugh posted this on the 20th Feb. How are they delivering these letters? Is the cabinet member for enforcement and safer communities delivering them by hand on her way home from work? Have you seen one yet?
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Permalink Reply by Martha on
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Haven't seen one through out door yet! However, did notice flourescent yellow notices stuck on every parking bay sign confirming the fines.
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Permalink Reply by Alison P on
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Just sent this to Councillor Canver ... Will let you know if I hear anything back. Apologies in advance to Liz and Martha for stealing their story - I hope you don't mind. It just seemed to illustrate the point very well.
Dear Councillor Nilgun Canver
I was really pleased to read the article on Haringey Council's website about the new crackdown on this form of behaviour. I live on the Harringay ladder, and have a young toddler. I regularly have to navigage my way round dog mess when I walk down the Harrigay Passage.
The article says "If you see someone dumping rubbish or letting their dog mess the Passage without cleaning up after it, please let us know and we will look into it." I am concerned that this is unrealistic and, in particular, places too much emphasis on the public for tackling people who, not least because they have a dog with them, can be rather intimidating. For example, two mothers I know recently watched someone allow his (large) dog to foul the footpath outside South Harringay Junior School. Both said that they didn't feel able to do anything bar mutter under their breath, mainly because they had very young children with them and were concerned about their safety.
Clearly, people don't necessarily have to tackle someone there and then. But if they do not, at the very least they would need to provide the Council with the dog owner's address. And to get this would require following someone (and their dog) home, which seems rather unrealistic, as well as - again - possibly dangerous.
I completely agree with the view that people who do not clean up after their dogs should be fined. I also think that the only way of improving the situation in Harringay will be having a successful number of prosecutions and publicising these fully. But in order to do this, I think that Street Enforcement Officers need to spend some time patrolling the Passage (even if only for a limited period), with a view to driving home the message to dog owners that this form of behaviour simply isn't acceptable. They are far better trained to do this than members of the public. I worry that otherwise this new emphasis on fines for dog dirt - though laudable - simply will have little effect on the main culprits.
By the way, I should say that neither I, nor any of my neighbours, have actually seen the letters that the article on the website said had been sent out (I read the website article on Feb 20, around four weeks ago!).
I look forward to hearing from you.
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Just had a reply from Cllr Nilgun Canver as follows:
"Thank you very much for your email. It would be great if you could refer me to the exact location of the article that you have quoted from. It is never our intention to encourage our resident to confront or follow others whose dogs are fouling. Clearly this article needs to be amended."
Have passed on the weblink!! Have pointed out that at no point does the article suggest following or confronting anyone - but it is hard to see how else the public can report someone to the Coucil without doing this!
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Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on
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I would not advocate this at all : ) but what happened if dog mess was placed outside the councils chambers every day so that had to swerve all types and sizes of dog muck. I'd bet they'd soon get some processions then.
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Permalink Reply by Anette on
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Yes, but they would prosecute the poo-placer, not the pooer or the non-poo picker-upper...
Hey, I write good English here!
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