Finsbury Park 5 A Side Football Centre Consultation

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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on May 11, 2010 at 15:07

Let's not forget that they also have an aim of making the park pay its way.

Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on May 11, 2010 at 15:25

83 car parking places !!!!!!

Permalink Reply by Hugh on May 11, 2010 at 18:24

I should probably have added a link to the previous discussion on this topic. (now added above also)

Permalink Reply by DavidJ on May 11, 2010 at 21:29

Probably a really dumb question but if a commercial organisation can afford to pay for the entire development, pay a lease to Haringey and still make a profit - why can't Haringey do this (given they wouldn't have to pay any rent?).

Permalink Reply by Alison P on May 12, 2010 at 13:28

These Q&As are taken from the site - they address some of the issues that came up in the previous discussion (and the first covers David's query).

Q. Why is public land being sold to a commercial operator?
A. The land is not being sold, rather leased for a number of years in order for any potential investor to be sure of tenure. The 5-a-side facility would cost in excess of £2m to build and in the current economic climate the Council is unable to finance such investment independently.

Q. I currently use the tarmac area for other activities, where will I go if the centre is built?
A. The council proposes to use funds generated from this development to refurbish the tarmac area near the skate park to provide new courts for basketball, netball, volleyball. This area can also be used as an alternative area for other activities such as cycling, remote controlled models etc.

Q. How much will it cost the Council to build?
A. The centre will be built at no cost to the council, but the council will receive a rental income which can support other activities both within the Park and potentially Borough wide.

Q. I don’t want to play football, what other activities will be available at the 5-a-side centre?
A. The pitches are designed for football, but are used across the country for kwik-cricket, hockey practice, netball and general fitness. There is the potential for a range of sports usually played on grass, to be played on the long pile artificial grass.

Q. How much would I have to pay to use the 5-a-side centre?
A. During peak times it would cost around £5.00 per person for an hour to hire each pitch. However there will be a certain amount of community provision where access to the centre would be either free or at a discounted rate.

Q. What do you mean by ‘community provision’?
A. The proposed football centre will be available to pre-existing community groups for free or at discounted rates. This could include: youth groups; schools; charitable organisations and a range of other users which will be agreed by the commercial operator with the London Borough of Haringey.

Q. Won’t the flood lights affect the parks’ wildlife and will they be on all night?
A. The proposed lighting will be directional lighting which will be independently switched on and off only when the pitch is in operation. The lighting will be assessed in terms of its potential impact on ecology, but has never been found to represent a harmful element to ecology. Lighting for football centres has been approved next to some of the country’s most sensitive sites and on Green Belt sites. Careful design prevents harmful spillage. Careful conditioning prevents lighting being switched on when it is not necessary.

Q. Why does the centre need more car parking? Won’t this cause more traffic pollution to the area?
A. Parking on the site is needed to prevent spillage onto the access road and potentially out of the park. Additionally there will be a large number of bicycle racks to encourage cycling to the centre and users will also be encouraged to use public transport.

Q. Will the pavilion have a licensed bar and who can use it?
A. The development will include a pavilion and the developer will seek a license from the Council’s licensing panel for a licensed bar. The bar will sell drinks, but not hot food. The bar will only be open to people who play at the football centre. Normal licensing restrictions would apply.

Q. Won’t late night openings attract anti-social behaviour?
A. The football centre will employ its own security staff and will have CCTV in all areas when it is in operation. Football Centres are not plagued by anti-social behaviour and the presence of people in the park is likely to increase natural surveillance and reduce the fear of crime.

Q. I am a female footballer, what provision will there be for me to play?
A. The centre is open to all ages and both men and women play at football centres all around the UK. The pavilion will have facilities for both sexes. Additionally in the community times the Council will work with clubs to increase female participation in football.

Q. Why cant existing facilities be refurbished instead of creating
new ones?
A. There are no existing suitable facilities which would fit this criteria in the local area

Q. If the 5-a-side centre is built, will all games of football then be restricted to the centre only?
A. No, groups can still use the grass pitches within the park, but the football centre will provide high quality all weather pitches that many groups will find more beneficial to use.

Q. What effects will this development have on the wildlife in the park and what is being done to avoid this?
A. In depth ecology reports will be performed to assess the potential impact on the wildlife. Recommendations from these reports will be used as a steer to the guide the proposed development to ensure that there will be none or very minimal impact.

Q. My young son wants to play football, will the centre be available for him?
A.The centre will be available for groups of all ages. The type of artificial grass uses, i.e. third generation turf, is particularly designed to be more realistic but also kinder to children when they fall. The new 3G reduces the burns that were associated with old style artificial pitches. The centre can also be used for children’s football parties.

Q. Will food be served at the 5-a-side and what effect will this have on the Park Café?
A. No food other than bar snacks will be served in the pavilion, therefore it will not have any effect on the Park Café, other than possible increase in new customers.

Q. Will the new centre and other areas in the park be covered with large marketing campaigns for private companies?
A. Some advertising on the rebound boards within the football centre itself is common, but would require advertising consent and could therefore be controlled by the Council.

Q. The park gets very dark at night, will there be lights to and from the entrances?
A. The council does want to improve lighting within the park and may seek a contribution towards lighting as part of any planning application for a football centre.

Q. Can the walls of the 5-a-side pitches be retracted to create a larger pitch?
A. The technology to allow this to happen has yet to be invented. Some centres remove the walls and replace them with nets, but these prove unpopular with players for smaller pitches and therefore most operators now try to avoid this method. However there maybe scope for larger 7-a-side pitches at the facility in lieu of some 5-a-side pitches.

Q. Will there be space for spectators?
A. Most football centres do not create space for spectators as this is not a strong requirement from experience of how other centres work. There may be scope to create some space for spectators if sufficient space can be found. There is limited space around the perimeter of the pitches for access.

Q. Will the pitches be covered when it rains?
A. No, the pitches are open air pitches.

Permalink Reply by Alison P on May 12, 2010 at 13:38

My main practical objection to this is the provision of 83 car parking spaces. If this is for LOCAL residents (which is very much the emphasis in the proposal) why do we need 83 spaces? Having had a look at the plans I still can't quite translate what they look like on paper to the actual size of the site - does anyone here have any planning experience? Are the plans realistic?

Permalink Reply by oli haill on May 15, 2010 at 18:21

Related to this, wonder if anyone can help. One of the candidates for the local election was talking about trying to get the old cricket nets in Finsbury Park (in the American bit, same field as the baseball) refurbished for use again. Does anyone know if this is a viable proposal and where to make some sort of campaign?

Permalink Reply by Erica Boateng on May 19, 2010 at 17:14

The above consultation on the proposal of developing a 5-a-side Football Centre within Finsbury Park is now open and we would like to hear what you think about this proposal.

You can have your say by;
- completing the online survey at www.haringey.gov.uk/footballconsultation
- print attached survey and send to freepost; Consultation Team, London Borough of Haringey, FREEPOST NAT20890, PO Box 264, London N22 8BR
- Attend the Consultation Open Day on Saturday 26th June, 10am-1pm in Finsbury Park on the tarmac area (basketball courts) near the Endymion Road entrance
- Request a postal survey by calling: 020 8489 4629 or email: parks@haringey.gov.uk

Attachments:

• Finsbury park football consultation survey.pdf, 1 MB

Permalink Reply by Hugh on May 19, 2010 at 17:23

Brilliant. Thanks for letting us know Erica - and well done you for using this site as an additional channel in your consultation.

Permalink Reply by HoL Site Admin on July 2, 2010 at 11:12

Three threads have been started on this. This one is now closed. The latest is here.