Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Help clear the passage
Update: Lots of people have volunteered, so we'll all be out at 10am Sunday. My number is 07766 990123 if you need to get salt or any other problems.
Update 2: A huge thank you to all the volunteers who came out yesterday to clear the snow. We've done a fab job.
If you've walked up or down it recently you'll know that the passage is an absolute ice rink at the moment. We're not going to get any help from the council to fix it, so I'd like to get a bunch of volunteers to commit to coming out on Sunday at 10am to clear part of the passage.
There were a bunch of Ladder Dads who committed tonight, so if you'd like to join us on Sunday morning to help clear a part of passage so we can all use it to get to work, school or the shops then sign up below.
Just say which bit (e.g. Hewitt to Seymour) you'd like to work on, and we'll all meet out there around 10 am on Sunday.
Bring salt, shovels and any sand/grit you might have, and let's all make the passage a little bit safer.
I know that together we can make a difference - so let's do it.
Update 2: A huge thank you to all the volunteers who came out yesterday to clear the snow. We've done a fab job.
If you've walked up or down it recently you'll know that the passage is an absolute ice rink at the moment. We're not going to get any help from the council to fix it, so I'd like to get a bunch of volunteers to commit to coming out on Sunday at 10am to clear part of the passage.
There were a bunch of Ladder Dads who committed tonight, so if you'd like to join us on Sunday morning to help clear a part of passage so we can all use it to get to work, school or the shops then sign up below.
Just say which bit (e.g. Hewitt to Seymour) you'd like to work on, and we'll all meet out there around 10 am on Sunday.
Bring salt, shovels and any sand/grit you might have, and let's all make the passage a little bit safer.
I know that together we can make a difference - so let's do it.
Tags for Forum Posts: get involved, grit, ice, passage, snow, winter
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Milo on
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do you know how much salt costs ? ! I tried with a spade outside the front of my house earlier and its a no go, like trying to crack a brazil nut with a feather. Considering "Global Warming" is likely to result in many more of these colder winters (sarcasm) I suggest everyone invests in some decent grippy shoes :)
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Permalink Reply by Malcolm on
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I use dishwasher salt, which seems to be about the cheapest way to buy it. 3Kg is £1.16, which is enough to do many meters of pavement.
If you don't have salt, then how about sand? We can grit over the ice even if we can't shift it.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Thanks for helping out, not.
Milo said:do you know how much salt costs ? ! I tried with a spade outside the front of my house earlier and its a no go, like trying to crack a brazil nut with a feather. Considering "Global Warming" is likely to result in many more of these colder winters (sarcasm) I suggest everyone invests in some decent grippy shoes :)
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Please people, don't let a few media scare stories stop you doing something that is clearly (a) the right thing and (b) in all our interests.
You're not going to get sued.
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Just a follow-up on the whole "being sued for clearing the pavements" meme.
This seems to have started with a Daily Telegraph/Daily Mail article here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/6958131/Health-and-safety...
This cites the Institute of Safety and Health as advising people that they "could be sued" and to not clear public paths.
However, a quick check at the IOSH reveals: http://www.iosh.co.uk/news_and_events/news/latest_news_releases/01_...
which basically says the Torygraph made it up - it's not and never has been IOSH advice. The Telegraph took out of context a contribution from a law firm to a magazine over a year ago. As is typically the case when you ask a lawyer, that article said it was possible to be sued under a "common law duty of care" if you cleared a path and then either made it worse or failed to keep it clear.
However that opinion doesn't seem to be widely shared - there's a good summary of the relevant law here as it refers to highways agencies, which explicitly covers the "common law duty of care" argument and the response of the High Court.
From the summary:
...No common law duty of care arises even if the highway authority has adopted a programme for clearing ice/snow and has failed to properly implement the same. In short, the view of the Courts is that snow and ice is a “risk for all to see and anticipate.” The same logic would seem to apply to other naturally occurring events such as leaf fall in Autumn.
If no common law duty of care arises for the highway authority, it is hard to see how a similar duty of care could arise for an ordinary citizen.
Of course, I am not a lawyer, but I have spent a lot of time around them!
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Permalink Reply by Betty Careless on
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The people getting sued for clearing snow thing is a complete tabloid myth. The 'Desirable Activity' clause in the Compensation Act 2006 says that when a compensation case comes up:
Courts may disregard possible actions that may have prevented an accident where they’d:
•(a) prevent a desirable activity from being undertaken at all, to a particular extent or in a particular way, or•(b) discourage persons from undertaking functions in connection with a desirable activity.People clearing away snow is so obviously a 'desirable activity' that the likelihood of anyone ever being sued is very low.
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Great to get another volunteer - and yes, if you want to wear a balaclava. Just make sure you don't scare any women walking through!
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Permalink Reply by Steve Hatch on
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I am happy to sponsor the cost of dishwasher salt, or sand, upto £100 if it helps. I am at work today, and need to drive to Oxford this afternoon, but I can volunteer for Monday and Tuesday.
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Steve, thank you for such a generous offer.
I think we'll need more clearing on Monday if the forecast snow turns up on Sunday, so your help would be great.
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Absolutely welcome, it's nice to be able to help out, I have nearly gone over myself several times today... very very bad out there!
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Thank you VERY much Steve. 19 3kg bags of dishwasher salt were purchased tonight from Sainsbury's at a cost of £22.04. Although I do wish I'd read the post about nicking it from Muswell Hill first.
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