Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Unsociable impact of Finsbury Park Events on Stroud Green Residents
I have to post here to make some noise about the absolute antisocial nuisance of FPark events where I live.
Let me start by saying I have lived here for 33 years and NEVER experienced the debacle that is the cack-handed organisation of Haringey licensing.
The so called 'brains' behind this have decided to implement a taxi/minicab/uber pick up point on Osbourne Road Stroud Green Road - which has had a dreadful impact on all the surrounding residential homes - up to 18 vehicles, stopping on the main road, disrupting traffic flow, 3 point turns in the middle of the road, stopping on the main road ie parking up and waiting, a snaking traffic line around the very small one way system in front of small parade of shops underneath heavily populated flats and surrounding flat (which are people's homes!!). Both Friday 29 June and Sat 1 July the aggressive traffic of these cabs was relentless and I didn't get to sleep until 3am Friday, on Saturday 2am - HOW DARE HARINGEY BULLY RESIDENTS INTO THIS IMPACT ON OUR LIVING STANDARDS.
This is NOT O2 Arena, nor Wembley or Glastonbury - this park is being turned into an income revenue and quite frankly DAMN the residents - with absolutely NO RESPECT and CONSIDERATION shown to people who live here.
Who in their infinite 'wisdom' thought creating this as the cab pick up point was a 'good' idea - is it because it is social housing and flats above shops ie rented - so they can just disregard and disrespect our rights?
I telephoned @ 3 times Friday, young lady very pleasant, was promised a call back Saturday - guess what - nothing! I had to phone again twice from 4 pm regarding non existent call back - clearly shows they do not give a damn.
Finally Bale Garret called from Haringey Licensing and of course I was irate, as no one bothered to return a courtesy call, I had to chase them. Her communication manner was quite aggressive, yet she accused me of me defensive - guess what I am defensive, against my quality of life being aggressively impacted upon for events that do not benefit the community, but quite the opposite, causes problems.
I was promised the cab pick up point would cease at midnight and guess what - complete rubbish! I had to put up with honking horns from cabs, cabs descending on the pick up point, what seemed to be touting for business, shouting to people waiting to be picked up - all in the early hours of the morning ie from midnight to 2am.
I phoned the Haringey line again, and again the nice young Becky did her best, but the real power, complete dereliction of duty. No one in place to enforce the midnight cut off - again, where is the so called 'brains' of this operation??? they all baled out, and left no enforcement.
What I couldn't understand is I say a few plain clothes men randomly checking cab documents, and they were out after midnight, supposedly the cut off point, so why did they not tell cabs to vacate the area.
Stroud Green Road is NOT Holloway Road, it is a small local high street, and quietens down at night, hence loads of people live above shops.
This is unacceptable, and next weekend will be the same, cause these Haringey organisers will not pull their finger out to correct this nuisance, why, because they don't give a damn.
The pick up should be the busy area of Manor House or FPark Station or as I suggested the bus terminal for W7, W3 and 210. Recently the W3 bus lane at the terminus was resurfaced, so a bus stop outside café and car wash was utilised. this means the 210 could be moved there as the pick up point and the cabs could use the 210 lane in the bus terminal - WITH staff to control flow of cabs and traffic.
There is also the 4,19, 236 and 106 terminus - again designated points for black cabs, so TFL Public Carriage Office should make either of these the preferred pick up points for cabs - created for traffic, not where residents homes are!
The plus point is this terminus is not surrounded by home and if staffed properly, would not cause problems.
Personally, turning Finsbury Park into a music event is a relentless impact on residents.
There is also the amount of rubbish left from people waiting at the parade of shops, near Osbourne Road, which was left and not cleaned up.
So you can see the 'benefit' to an ordinary resident - none at all....
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I’ve got friends who have volunteered with them in the past. The pay off it that you get to attend stuff for free
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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That might be OK for a nice music festival but this one is pretty hard core no? If anything they should have been employing ninjas at top whack.
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Permalink Reply by DTW on
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I used to do lots of workers beer 10 years ago. It works really really well if the volunteers care about the organisation they are working for. A group of 20 year olds get into a festival for free work three 6 hour shifts and they raise a lot of money for their organisation. You get free drinks and food and is really good fun.
the problems come when you have mercenaries who don’t care for the organisation. These people have nothing to bind them to their shifts. They can just disappear and there are no sanctions.
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I have often wondered what sort of impact the events have on people living in the area. Endymion Road for instance. Obviously the Council didn't think about the ramification of such events. It must be awful for the people on Osborne Road having the DropOff join for minicabs and taxis.
I live in what some estate agents call THE LEE OF ALEXANDRA PALACE Off Nightingale Lane, backing directly on to the park. There are often big events at the Palace, concerts etc. Parking there is very limited. Fortunately we don't seem to get too many people leaving their cars on our road as it is a very long steep walk up to the Palace. The park is not lit at night. Seems to me the combination of a long steep walk through the park to Palace and the prospect of waking pack through the unlit park at night seems to be a deterrent for anybody contemplating parking in our streets for AlltPally events. For annual Firework Display there are regulations in place .fortunately.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Interesting points, Shirley. And clearly, it's very likely there are some fresh (and old) lessons to be learned from a compare 'n' contrast of the two locations.
But can I please also repeat a plea I make from time to time.
There is no such creature as "the Council" which thinks or doesn't think. There is an ever-changing group of people with different views, skills, experiences etc. True there are also some left-overs (like those Japanese soldiers who hadn't heard the war was over) With a selection of out-of-date practices and a stultifying culture inherited from the past. But people can change practices and cultures. And sometimes for the better.
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Permalink Reply by Nicky on
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I live on Endymion and am amazed at how little we see of the festival goers before and after events. Over the years I have seen a few casualties staggering about late in the night but very little considering the huge numbers.
They always add in ‘no parking except for CPZ permit holders’ signs on those weekends, which is inconvenient if you have visitors, but does stop the road becoming full.
The noise is not too bad either (expect I might regret saying that after this weekend) but I know folks on Oakfield who are much worse affected
i tend to feel the entrances and exits are well managed on the whole but having gone to thr event last Saturday I noticed that there was only one exit which is unusual and was really glad that we left just before the end because of the apparent squash that followed. But I have to add that the organisation of the event was shambolic. I have never been so squashed as I was trying to get through the bottleneck to the toilets! It was horrible. That could have been so easily fixed when they saw what was happening but there were no staff around at all to make any changes on the site. At a similar size event at Victoria Park a few weeks earlier, in comparison, there were site wardens and security visible everywhere. Festival Republic should have their licences reviewed.
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Permalink Reply by Abi on
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Yep, the exit management was the worst I've ever seen and I personally felt scared. A few people in less good spirits and it could have been really dangerous.
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All of this in the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world! How do other places i.e poorer countries, look after their parks?
Think of that when you say T.I.N.A!
Because that is B****sh*t!
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Meanwhile, there are more plans for commercial exploitation of yet another park. This time the rather special Bruce Castle Park. A chunk of it is being lined-up as a "Fan Zone" for NFL which has dome sort of deal wit Tottenham Hotspur.
Although the planning notice posted up doesn't mention either Spurs nor NFL. And doesn't show local residents the area to be colonised.
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Says 10:30 on the event website
https://www.wirelessfestival.co.uk/information/event-info/dates-and...
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I live on the ladder. Wasn't disturbed at all by the noise last weekend but can really hear it tonight. Hopefully it will end soon... 10.30 you say?
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I think something was afoot last evening. Like you I didn’t hear it at all last weekend but last night I could really hear the last half hour or so (I thought it was a neighbour having a party at first). Did they turn up the volume for the last act I wonder? I’ve sent a report to Haringey for the noise service to pick up as I assume will many others, so hopefully there’s no repeat on the next two evenings.
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