Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Owners of Proposed Triple Restaurant in former Fairline/Class A Premises Finally Come Clean
The owners of the almost complete new restaurant in the former Fairline/Class A premises have been pretending for the last year or so that their project was anything but a new restaurant. They even had their agent come on HoL to protest their innocence with regard to any such move.
Of course anyone with half a mind didn't believe them for a moment and they've now finally come clean and have applied for retrospective planning permission.
There are very sound grounds for objection to this development given in Haringey's planning policy and one hopes that the Council will make proper and fair use of these in making their planning determination.
Local objections, particularly those that can be linked to policy are taken into account and do make a difference. Any resident can object. I am attaching a copy of the LCSP's objection which makes clear which policies can be referenced for your objection.
If you'd like to object, or support, the application, you can do so via the planning pages of Haringey's website here, using the "Comment on Application" button towards the bottom of the page. (EDIT: I made a comment essentially just supporting the LCSP's statement in its entirety).
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Permalink Reply by AndrewAW1 on
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It is a zero sum game. There are a limited number of shops on green lanes, all those that become restaurants are no longer shops.
In addition, if this sets a precedent that anything can be converted to a restaurant, regardless of meeting the criteria, then that could result in even fewer shops.
It might be good for those who travel there to eat, not so good for those who live there
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I don't particularly care what style of eating establishment it is. The problem is that an over supply of restaurant premises on Green Lanes is leading to a trading street that will be dead during the day. When you walk by the eating places on GL before 6 or 7 on a weekday evening you already see many of them with little or no custom. We have fewer and few shops, meaning fewer and fewer people bother to come along to use what little is left of them.
There are streets in London now that are virtually dead during daylight hours because they simply offer nothing but places to eat - the Whitechapel end of Brick Lane is an example - and there is little left for people local to the area. They have nowhere to shop so they take their money elsewhere.
In order to try and stop that happening here Haringey introduced a policy to restrict the number and extent of eating establishment so there was a reasonable balance between daytime and night time economies. The number of eating places on GL is getting close to 50% of all available shop frontages. It may well that we have already gone over the tipping point where non-food daytime business have simply lost the footfall they need to survive (the demise of long established business like Cyplon Travel might be an indicator of that) but it's is definitely time to draw a line in the sand and not allow further erosion of daytime trading on GL.
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Permalink Reply by kotkas on
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Do you ever see people turned away from Turkish restaurants at GL because of overcapacity? Then it is a zero sum outcome - opening a new one would thus invariably absorb excess demand from existing ones or steal customers (but would have to have a compelling point of difference which it doesn't) I don't know what sort of economic value you seem to allude to exactly??
I just walked past it and saw a couple of bored waiters. They have also boarded up 1/3 of it - presumably to create the impression that the proportion of the premises that is currently operational is below the threshold that breaches planning regs. With or without that fudge the place is absolutely hideous and won't outlast Christmas.
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Book shop
Fishmonger
Quality green grocer
Yoga studio
Bike shop
Florist
A good shoes or clothes shop
Hipster fashionable but useless shop
Artisan bakery
Quality off-licence
Anything but another Turkish canteen.
....Harringey council!!! Help us diversify the area
Not ANOTHER cheap looking Turkish!!!! We have a few good ones already....it's quality not quantity of mix grills!
We want a clean, interesting,safe high street we are proud of - not a litter strewn strip of fast food outlets.
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All of those things are good at but Haringey doesn't own the properties on GL. The owners will lease to whoever they think will bring in the most income for them. That's what is rather depressing about the proliferation of restaurants of the same type. Originally they did well so more opened and the clientele ended up diluted over more and more outlets. It's a bit like when everyone thought that jumping on the dot.com bandwagon would reap huge rewards but the bubble just burst. Sometimes business people are incredibly shortsighted.
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There is the separate issue of pollution. I have raised this on other threads and will do so again here. Having such a concentration of charcoal burners in a small area means there is a lot of smoke. My flat is on Warwick so not particularly close but some days I would have to close the windows because of the smoke and smell from the restaurants.
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Permalink Reply by Graham Charnock on
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I quite like the smell of barbecues. The effects of carbon monoxide are only severe if they are prolonged and in a closed environment, and in an outdoor environment they never are. I appreciate some people are sensitive to it, but I have hay fever and am sensitive to pollen, but I wouldn't want to stop flowers and blossoms blooming.
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Probably different if you live directly above one Graham (the barbie smell). I have a friend who bought a flat next to a baker's because he liked the idea of waking every morning to the smell of baking bread. That lasted about a week until he couldn't stand it anymore and ended up keeping all of his windows shut!
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Exactly...
And since the only people with any real power are the council they need to listen to the local residents (us) and they can help by structuring the diversification of the area. It is in their interest to help the area improve - reduce crime, reduce littering, improve our environment and thereby improving our standards of living, health and wellbeing.
This starts by them actually enforcing their refusal of this kebab house to trade and making an example that this can't carry on.
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I agree entirely. The policies are there, set out out in detail and for everyone to see. It seems to be implementing them that is the problem
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What is also,interesting is that the one individual who supported this development was St Anne's ward Cllr Ozbek in direct opposition to Haringey's own planning policies.
You can see his letter to Haringay at page 15 of the file below
http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/Attachm...
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Permalink Reply by Protheroe O'Shea on
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Whether one is for or against doesn't really matter It's sickening that a councillor and the traders association can ignore the fact that the business in question is operating illegally. It just feels terribly corrupt and makes me think it's a forgone conclusion.. I'm guessing the folk who signed the petition also got said councillor elected...
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