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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...

We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.

This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road.  There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass. 

Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic. 

The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs!  Drivers beware!

I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.

Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic

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Barbara, I’m with you. 
I too have to install microwave ovens, custom kitchens, move refrigerators, and colour TVeeeees!! 
But the truth is the LTNs are here to stay so the only thing I can hope for now is that everyone should have to experience the same as me. I’m into shared experience. So if my road has been cut in half (meaning, in my head, that all the Bas••••s at the other end decided I rat run in my own road) then I want everyone’s roads cut in half (as I’ve suggested for the ladder roll out on another thread) then they’ll know how it feels. and as I recall someone claimed that these schemes are NOT divisive!! Ohhhh well. 

I think this highlights a really fundamental problem with the whole LTN policy. Supporters appear to see all vehicles as automatically the enemy of the ecologically-aware, concerned about the future — and who, incidentally, appear generally able-bodied and fit (though Sarah has explained here that this isn’t universal) — as opposed to vehicle drivers who are often categorised as selfish for making apparently unnecessary journeys through residential streets.

But road traffic is a mixture, and small businesses or sole traders are an important part. What happens when traders refuse to visit certain roads or areas because the extra time it now takes to reach some addresses makes a job uneconomical? I paid a £50 charge for a trader from N8 to repair my washing machine recently; what happens if he decides he has to charge £100 because the travel time means he can do fewer jobs each day? My regular builder is already caught by the ULEZ for the diesel van he bought in good faith some years ago, so if it now takes twice as long to reach my home, does he a) charge me more, b) absorb the extra cost or c) decide not to work in St Ann’s at all? If (a), can I afford to employ him or does he lose the job? 

Taking sole traders, “last mile” delivery firms like DPD, utilities such as BT and BG and outfits such as Ocado and John Lewis into account, it’s clear that simply barring vehicles from certain streets,, forcing them into longer journeys on more polluted roads, isn’t the answer, especially when it has the impact on buses that’s already been mentioned above.

It's the policy of Exclusion permits for me too..I wouldn't qualify for a blue badge! Am I right in thinking that you have to give up your car in an LTN ? This is utter madness for freelancers. Of course no talk of compensation?

 Am I right in thinking that you have to give up your car in an LTN

Absolutely NOT. Every single address in an LTN is accessible by car. Parking permit rules are exactly the same as they were before.

The only difference is you may have to take a different route to an address. That is it.

You are actually making a case for restricting the use of individual vehicles to what is necessary ---> where possible use public transport.

This would free up road space for vehicles that need the space. Why are people driving their children to school in a car if the schools is around the corner or a few streets away? Or driving into central London which has such good transport provision? Or even going to the local shop or supermarket?

We cannot all continue to just own and drive cars any and everywhere. Deliveries in themselves are a problem. But the rampant consumerism also needs to change. 

So, unfortunately, it is going to "hurt" us all.

No I'm not.You clearly haven't understood anything I've talked about here. 

If you feel so...

The school run could be part of the drive to work if it's like my experience. Would drop off the kids then go to work and fill my car with a ton of books to deliver. I doubt that many people stagger out of bed and deliver the kids to school then go home again. Would be an interesting maths project for the kids to do a survey.

Timing and logistics are often big issues on the school run, especially if you have children in different schools. And there is a lot of ferrying to and from after school clubs, where timings don't allow getting buses especially if you need to change buses. I shared clubs drop off and pick up (the ones we couldn't walk to) with another few parents to minimise car trips and to help with balancing work.

Couldn't agree more, JJ B. This culture of rampant individualism and consumerism has to change in the face of the coming environmental catastrophe. And it's become so urgent it will have to be forced onto a lot of people, rather than just nudging them in the right direction. Although actually it won't be so painful just to get a bus or train or walk somewhere, and people will quickly see the benefits of this in their local environments and should understand that they are doing their bit to help tackle the bigger crisis.

Of course maybe because I don’t have any children of my own I can’t understand why people are taxing their kids around the neighbourhood when I as an 12 year old took the bus 8 miles from capital to home once I was in high school.

if more people are around on foot, on bikes, scooters I.e not in their cars, the streets would become more human…

we need another paradigm so people should stop fighting it and fight for better…

It's interesting JJ that schools such as Chestnuts made no attempt to educate or dissuade the parents of their pupils from driving before demanding a School Street.

"Block the road off.. that'll sort it".

Council surveys of pre and post School Street behaviour show a 4% decline in parental car use. That's it. 4%.

They just drop them off at the edge of the School Street. 

Ideologically driven blunt instruments like LTNs and School Streets don't work without education and a genuine evidential basis.



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