Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
"Salisbury Pub to be converted to local restaurant" - just imagine
IMAGINE - I love Gokyuzu, but I also love The Salisbury
- as things stand our pubs are more threatened than our
restauants
Not so long ago the idea of the Queen's Head becoming a Turkish furniture store would have seemed laughable. I guess we're not laughing now and we might now imagine any number of possible futures for any number of local buildings.
Are there any left that we feel are critical to the local community? If push came to shove what buildings or land would you fight to protect in Harringay? What would be on your list?
With the new Localism Act we can at least forearm ourselves and give the community a fighting chance to save important community buildings. To buy time in the future, all we have to do is to make a list of the community assets we value and ask the Council to include them on their register.
Isn't this a no brainier?
Here's what the Dummies' Guide to the Localism Act says on the issue:
Community right to bid (assets of community value)
Every town, village or neighbourhood is home to buildings or amenities that play a vital role in local life. They might include community centres, libraries, swimming pools, village shops, markets or pubs. Local life would not be the same without them, and if they are closed or sold into private use, it can be a real loss to the community.
In many places across the country, when local amenities have been threatened with sale or closure, community groups have taken them over. In some cases, however, community groups who have attempted to take assets over have faced significant challenges. They often need more time to organise a bid and raise money than the private enterprises bidding against them.
The Localism Act requires local authorities to maintain a list of assets of community value which have been nominated by the local community. When listed assets come up for sale or change of ownership, the Act then gives community groups the time to develop a bid and raise the money to bid to buy the asset when it comes on the open market. This will help local communities keep much-loved sites in public use and part of local life.
Attached is Locality's 'how to guide' which explains a little more of what's required. Since the first step is for the Council to determine the format of the list and the procedure I've just spoken with Ciara Whelehan who's leading on this in Haringey's Planning Policy section. She was very helpful and told me that the Council is just starting to look at this. As you might expect the Highgate Society are already compiling their register. I know that a group in Hornsey are doing the same since.
So, What would be on your list?
Tags for Forum Posts: community assets, localism act, salisbury acv, the salisbury
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Stroud Green library
St Pauls, St Augustines, St John the Baptist, Christ Crucified, Risen and Exhalted churches and and the mosque on Wightman
Fairland Park
North and South Harringay schools
Ducketts Common
Railways Fields
The Beaconsfield
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Permalink Reply by Ruth on
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Yep to all of those plus of course the Salisbury and the Langham Club (I would say that, wouldn't I) plus Chestnuts park plus Dave's newsagents on Green lanes near Harringay green lanes station cus they are always friendly in there and have the sense of it being a community place....
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Permalink Reply by Cartiledge on
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Your tag line in the email almost gave me a heart attack. Please don't do that again.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Sorry, happy to grab attention, but I'd be gutted to have a death on my hands!
Wouldn't it be awful if the Salisbury ever goes the way of the Queen's Head, though.
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Permalink Reply by Dick Harris on
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I think Hugh is quite right to raise this alert. I have often thought that the Salisbury appears to be under-utilised. Does anyone know what use is made of the other floors or what plans have been made or considered? I saw the walk-through video of the first floor function rooms but I have not heard of them being used and I noticed the piece about the design business (in the basement?).
Will it ever be a hotel again? Is there residential accommodation for bar staff or anyone else? Could the first floor become a restaurant or offices? Could the top floor become flats? There is an awful lot of space that the pub doesn't seem to use or need. Turning the rest to profitable use might better secure the whole building (including the pub) for the future.
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The space I showed on the "walk through video" is now used as a flat. I know that Nick and Sam have a flat in the building and I think it's all pretty well much used.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Are we being a bit sniffy, even racist, about a " Turkish furniture store " ?
There are a lot of residents of Turkish origin in the area. why shouldn't they have a furniture store ?
Is Turkish furniture less attrctive than, say, Swedish ?
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Bit of an assumption there, John. God only knows what I've ever said on this site before to make you think I would be sniffy about a furniture store or racist about anything Turkish. Get a grip, man.
The point isn't the nationality of the store; that's just a fact. The point isn't even the type of goods it sells; that too is simply a fact. The issue I wished to flag is that that we've lost a building which had a use that is normally considered communal, which many of us might have considered somehow fixed and permanent, to one which far removed from that and is not communal.
The reason that I used Gokyuzu in the photo to illustrate a potential fate of the Salisbury is because it's not atypical of the area and seemed very plausible possible future. However, It wasn't any sort of attack on Gokyuzu in particular or Turkish restaurants in general and I did take the trouble to point out that I'm a fan in an effort to forestall just the sort of comment you've just made. Guess I didn't cover myself on the furniture store, eh.
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It was just the fact that it's pointed out that it is Turkish furniture store, as if that were worse than any other. I used to think that I wasn't particularly racist until I caught myself saying " this black guy went straight through the red light " and thought to ask myself " would I have said this white guy went... "
Maybe I'm too sensitive now.
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Too sensitive and sexist: what difference does it make that the driver was male?
I'll bet you can't wait, John, until, through fear of upsetting someone, our sentences convey no meaning at all.
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