Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
New Bicycle racks on Green Lanes
Hi Everyone
Here is a photo showing the new bicycle racks that are starting to be installed as part of the Green Lanes project. The contractor is currently installing the racks in the side roads followed by Green Lanes after Christmas.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Firstly, I think it's great that we're getting cycle racks. I'm not a cyclist so I'll leave others to comment on the practicality of design. However I, and most other people in the area, am a pedestrian so the great majority of us will treat these as another bit of street furniture.
My worry is that as street furniture they do not cater for people walking. They take up a lot of pavement whereas if they had been installed at an angle this would not be the case. The issue of visibility has been raised several times and I know from the experience of my husband that they are difficult to see being grey against grey. Also, for cyclists on a busy street, on a dull day, they just won't "sing out" as places you can park your bike.
Purely on the grounds of practicality (giving pavement space to everyone) and safety (making sure that our footpaths are as safe as possible to walk on) the possitioning and colour of the stands need to be carefully considered.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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I disagree Michael. As an outsider, I always find London streets already much too gawdy. There's already much too much (IMO) information everywhere, including enormous amounts of painted street surfaces. This all adds to the tatty appearance of areas (not Harringay specifically).
The worry about the bike stands colour is unfounded. Generally, colourful bikes are attached to them, so I doubt that they will become invisible. I'm afraid I think grey looks stylish (sorry!).
I hope we are now over the era of covering street furniture in well meant, but tatty amatuerish looking 'murals' that tend to become very boring after a short time.
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Permalink Reply by maggie on
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Searching 'cycle stands" on HoL reveals many previous threads/ posts concerning cycle stands locally.
Reading some earlier posts...
Michael Anderson, July 2014; Haringey Recommendations.
"The table below sets out the style of street furniture and the type of footway materials that are recommended for use in Green Lanes.The specifications presented in the table only act as a guide. Cycle stands- Sheffield" http://www.haringey.gov.uk/chapter7-town_centres_and_conservation_a... 80, chapter 7.
Ant August 2014; Location.
"...too many of them clustered together in the wrong places...I just rode up from Beresford to Frobisher now and counted 11 cycles chained to various trees and posts and railings, but just one was using a new stand.
Why not ask us here on HoL where we'd like the new replacement stands to go?"Me. June 2014; Visibility.
Dept of Transport. "There is usually a compromise between convenience for cyclists and the needs of other road users, but cycle parking areas should not present a hazard to pedestrians, especially to blind or partially sighted people or place users in danger from motor traffic".
Department of Transport Recommendations;-
that the end stands have contrasting banding for higher visibility and a "tapping rail" for visually impaired people.
that bike stands be angled so that they do not intrude too much onto pavement/ road.
assume that cycle stands will not have corners as they recommend a minimum radii.
Plus many more informative contributions on this subject on HoL.
It appears while some have been taken on board other sensible suggestions have not.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Maggie, glad you take a serious, responsible approach.
Given that these are the replacements chosen after months of delay, it may be too late now to get fully functional models.
It's surprising that these stands were presented as looking better (although the author of this thread has now edited out that claim).
The aesthetics were widely discussed earlier. For a piece of sculpture, aesthetics are perhaps the only consideration. For security equipment, not so much.
IMO, these new stands (like the earlier ones) are elegant, stylish, well installed – and significantly less serviceable than they could have been. Possibly a continuing risk to pedestrians. We can only hope that some lessons will be learnt from the mistake and the new mistake made along Green Lanes.
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Permalink Reply by Cllr Emina Ibrahim on
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I have not edited out anything Clive and that can be confirmed with the site. You may be referring to my post under Liz's photo which is still there. Please read carefully before you imply that I edit things after comments. I only edit typos. Thanks for the apology in advance :))
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Yes, you're quite right, your claim that,
They look a lot better dont they !! -
is still there, as a photo caption and unchanged and I apologise for the mistake. A less costly mistake perhaps, than the mistake about to be re-made, up and down Green Lanes. Perhaps I remain surprised that the claim continues to be made. Both the previous bike stand and the replacement look good. However looking good is not the point, or not the only point.
The sensible and safer choice would have been Sheffields. Less costly too. Are these points being missed?
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Permalink Reply by Lauren on
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I wonder how long they will last with the goods lorries from the restaurants driving over them.
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Careful Pav, last time I said the same about Wood Green (on the M&S thread) I was told I should leave my home and get out of the borough, and this was supported by and a warning was issued to me by site admin. You're only allowed to say "nice" things on this site, regardless if they are true or not!
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Permalink Reply by HoL Site Admin on
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No Lauren, you've never been warned by site admin to say only nice things. You may perhaps have been warned to stay within site rules and be courteous to other members.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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I've come to this quite late and am having a puzzling "would I have climbed in too" moment? I agree that Sheffield stands are cheaper but I've just blown the froth off of my latte in surprise at the volume of the discussion. Where did this come from?
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