Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Haringey Announces Full Closure of Warwick Gardens as a Temporary Measure
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I don't quite understand Lydia. You don't pay for the entry/exit gate system.
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But everyone with a car in a CPZ pays for a parking permit and visitors passes. As far as I'm aware The Gardens are the only public roads in Haringey with a controlled entry system and that is paid for from council tax (I.e. by everyone who lives in the borough)
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Permalink Reply by Penguin on
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Don't blame the council. Blame the idiots who do upwards of 60mph rat running up and down
my gardens road as they rat run to and from that bollard. Im sure it won't hurt you to drive round a bit and we can all have quiter, safer and less polluted roads.
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Permalink Reply by Graham Charnock on
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I'm not entirely convinced by the explanations or that the council has even surveyed the problem. Yes some people will try to enter by the exit if that route is open, but they won't willfully run into an oncoming vehicle. Yes, I have turned into the entrance only to find it is inoperative and had to reverse (slowly and very carefully) back a short way, but whenever I have done it I have not caused an accident or road rage. I accept the bollards are at the end of their life and some solution needs to be found, but the reason stated just seem a justification-at-a-distance to me and not something adequately discussed or thought through. The bollards were originally introduced to stop the streets becoming a rat-run and that worked, so I don't think completely opening up access is a good idea. It should not be beyond the will of man to come up with a system other than expensively maintained rising bollards. I suspect in 18 months time the council will just say, oh well that worked, let's leave it closed.
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Permalink Reply by Jon C on
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Living, as I do, in Warwick Gardens, I am very pleased that if (for whatever reason) the council will not fix the entry system, then it will be closed altogether. We have seen a huge rise in noisy "rat-runners" screeching up and down our road every time the gates have been left open, and if that's not "anti-social behaviour" I don't know what is.
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Are you a car owner who found it convenient to use that carded exit to shorten a regular journey, or are you just someone who doesn't want other vehicles using *his* streets. I am the former. Both valid viewpoints which are worthy of more discussion than this.
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Permalink Reply by JoeW on
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There is an important distinction, John.
Rat-running in the Gardens is antisocial behaviour which the Council quite rightly cannot allow to continue.
Whereas rat-running on the Ladder is vital to ensuring the smooth flow of traffic through our borough.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Your quotation refers to Wightman Road only - equivalent to St Ann's Rd. The Ladder rungs are equivalent to the Gardens.
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The alternating one way roads off Wightman Road at least spread the load of so-called rat-running with a number of options to either join or depart from Green Lanes. I probably wouldn't call them rat-runs but a quite well-managed traffic distribution system. Gardens rat-running was always north-bound traffic along Green Lanes seeking to find a short-cut towards Tottenham and onwards to Walthamstow. The residential nature of the Gardens made that particularly dangerous before road-calmoing measures were introduced. But there are still people who ignore the humps and platforms and steam up and down at full speed.
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The only distinction I'm reading is that there are more rat run options on the Ladder than in the Gardens. Presto: that makes it "a quite well managed traffic distribution system." I have around 175 houses on my street and 2500 cars and heavier vehicles average per day. I am missing the good management aspects here!
There is always one ingredient missing in the formula that determines someone's views and it's short hand known as NIMBY.
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