Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Green Lanes Area Transport Study - consultation
http://www.haringey.gov.uk/transport/green-lanes-area-transport-study
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Permalink Reply by Antoinette on
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Rich.. I have never been late before or since the closure of Wighuman Road. As others have mentioned the stats did not take into account the buses that terminated early and that was often every other bus at the very busiest periods. The difference in the mornings was tolerable but the evenings were ridiculous.
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Permalink Reply by Rich on
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Ok, on the time you were late, was this due to the buses been terminated early, as this would explain the difference between the data and your experience.
It also important to understand what the time difference causes you to be late?
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The roadworks at Highbury Corner might have impacted you differently at varying times throughout the works.
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@Antoinette - If you are going from Upper Street to Finsbury Park (the pick up part) how would Wightman Road being closed make any difference to that part of the journey (and hence the fine)?
At best it would only be once you crossed Seven Sisters Road that you would be slowed down.
I work on Upper Street as well at the Business Design Centre and it takes me 16 - 18 minutes to get to my house on the Ladder by bicycle door to door. Consider joining us :)
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@Knavel . Once again you assume every one is sufficiently fit willing and able to cycle. I am not. The surgery I had on my back fusing vertebrae together makes cycling impossible for me even if I wanted to brave the road which I don't. Public transport is how the vast majority do and should make it to work. And it should work. And please don't try and convince me that logically I wasn't inconvenienced by the Wightman Road closure when I was.
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Permalink Reply by JoeW on
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I think not just "hyper aware" but also anyone opposed to Wightman filtering would want to blame that for any and every issue, even if the true cause was elsewhere.
There was a lot of disruption in the first few weeks, for various reasons e.g. poor signage or just the fact the up to 60% of our traffic is through-traffic so didn't know about the road layout changes - in fact I was still seeing "lost" drivers at the top of rungs in early September. There were also other local roadworks e.g. http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/stroud-green-road-closu... and of course the GOBLIN line closures would also have impacted the kind of journeys people were making at this time.
Having said that, there are plenty of reasons why traffic gets held up on Green Lanes - that's why over 16,000 vehicles switch to some part of Wightman every day - so in the absence of any measures to mitigate those delays I don't doubt that bus journey times became unreliable.
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Is that much different to normal? In rush hour walking generally is faster I find.
I don't believe that a huge amount of busses terminated early. The volume of busses for the periods in and out of the Wightman filtering were largely similar or TFL doubled the number of busses on the route and then terminated half of them early.
Either TFL have deliberately manipulated a vast amount of GPS data or people's anecdotes are coloured by confirmation bias. People can decide for themselves which they think is more likely.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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@ Knavel. My point is we all have to share the traffic. Take it off the ladder and it goes somewhere else. Green Lanes residents weren't happy with the Wightman Rd closure. The only real solution is to drastically reduce traffic.
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Ok so we are on the same page.
Two things:
1) I would think many (it should be all) Ladder residents are tired of being the "somewhere else" of this geographical part of North London. So here we are now.
2) Part of any solution is also an attempt impose public policy. By this I mean my understanding is that the Mayor's(*) office in particular where such policy should emanate is intent to reduce vehicles on the road. Ways to promote this policy generally have to have an effect of making it painful for people to elect to drive: Congestion taxes, high petrol taxes and, in this instance, I would say the prospect of (per earlier discussion) 45 minutes from the Ladder to Finsbury Park.
(*)I acknowledge I may be putting words into the Mayor's mouth / given him more credit than due (basically none is due) since he is demonstrably more intent taking on Donald Trump, it seems, than much else, including his own city. I can only go by what I read in the papers as to his policies and hope there is some level of veracity in these statements.
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@John D
Actually the two go hand in hand - one of the more effective ways to reduce motor vehicle journeys is to cut road capacity. It's not a case that if you block one road it simply moves; there is a reduction in demand that goes hand in hand with that. This is slightly counter-intuitive, but it's backed up by a lot of evidence and studies dating back to the early 60s. This is a key argument in favour of filtering Wightman Road - reducing the N-S vehicle capacity is going to lower overall traffic levels.
As a case in point, see Walthamstow and the reduction in overall traffic levels that resulted from the Mini-Holland/Orford Road filtering http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/mini-holland-scheme-in-waltha...
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Well it didn't seem to work that way when Wightman was closed. I suppose some people may have decided that conditions were too bad and stopped driving but the people on Green Lanes and Turnpike Lane protested vehemently. The traffic may not all have moved but the overflow streets couldn't cope.
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Well it did if you looked at the aggregate volume of traffic pre and during closure. Adding up the North-South permutations showed a reduction during the closure. Of course there was one less road to support that traffic movement so the individual road levels of traffic may have increased (but not to a level to cancel out the traffic lost from Wightman).
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