Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Green Lanes Area Transport Study - consultation
http://www.haringey.gov.uk/transport/green-lanes-area-transport-study
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Permalink Reply by Charlotte A on
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I think you'll find that there a LOT of people who don't have a zone 3 pass - just look at the bus stops the length of Green Lanes in the morning, and how many people get off at Manor House. If you have a 1-2 pass you can get as far as Manor House, and then the bus is free on top of that. A zone 1-3 pass is just over £20 more expensive for a month than zone 1-2.
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Permalink Reply by Rich on
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Hey, do you know where I can find the stats for bus delays (or lack there of) from the TFL website, I can only seem to find more recent information. I'd be interested to see what the differences actually were.
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They aren't on the tfl website. The stats were provided in response to an FOI request submitted by Michael Anderson.
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In this thread. I think JoeW might have linked to it. The data said that there was no perceptible increase in bus journey times, but it didn't include information on how many buses terminated early/diverted. It didn't seem to align with people's anecdotal experience. I beat the bus every single day during the road closures on my walk from Manor House to the Salisbury at 5.15.
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Cool, I shall have a look for it then. It's interesting that peoples anecdotal experience didn't line up with the actual facts from TFL. I wonder if this is due to people been hyper aware of the bus journey times during this period. Although generally I cycle, at the times I took Green Lanes rather than Wightman I didn't notice a massive difference in traffic (admittedly I'm normally returning from work around the 7-8pm mark).
Out of interest how far are you behind beating the bus as you mention it, and how far ahead of it were you during the closure?
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I didn't actually time it, just knew that it didn't catch up with me by the time I'd got to the crossing at the Salisbury! It takes me about 15 minutes to walk it. From times I've caught it I'd say the bus is usually 10 minutes in normal circumstances in rush hour (without factoring in having to wait for one). I never beat the bus in the morning in the opposite direction, the traffic flows better southbound in the mornings.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Did you attempt to get request the number of buses which were terminated earlier as part of your request, of was this information that simply wasn't available?
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Well like I said earlier I have the fines for picking up my son late from school to prove my anecdotes. I leave my work in Upper Street Islington at 5pm and didn't make it to Mattison Road by 6pm on a number of occasions. And that doesn't include the times I called relatives, friends and neighbours to pick him up when I clearly wasn't going to get there on time. When you have an actual and real deadline, not getting there is not a subjective matter.
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But the question still remains, why does your experience differ from the data?
Was there some other works going on, or something else delaying the 341 before it got the manor house during that period?
If you leave slightly late, are you usually cutting it close and the slight increase in journey times was enough to tip you over?
What is the walk time on either end of the journey, was there something that increased this?
Did the school become more aggressive in handing out fines?
Was there something going on at work that meant you were more often slightly late out the office?
Is the number of fines you got during the road closure similar or slightly increased, but now there is a clear thing to blame.
I'm not saying your wrong, it's just it remains anecdotal. What would be interesting is if we had a second source for timing data, unfortunately we don't.
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