Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Harringay (Green lanes Area) Transport Study
A letter just dropped through y door asking for feedback. Here is mine:
"I hope the council considers the permanent closure of Wightman Road. Gradually commuters and long-distance drivers are realising they need to either use alternative main roads, or switch to public transport or cycling. The study shows that residents overwhelmingly do not own a car (61%), and prefer public transport, walking or cycling for their commute (82%)."
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Permalink Reply by Peter Chalk on
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The glaringly obvious solution is a 4 lane red route on Green Lanes but the shops and cafes have enormous sway over the council.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I agree V&M. A senior local politician said to me over a drink not so long ago that if we can't agree a solution amongst ourselves, one that suits none of us very well is more likely to be imposed from above. The more we can all converse constructively, collaborate and agree a way forward the better.
I'd like to see the output of a 'big conversation' be a major influence on decision-making alongside the advice given by the consultants and council officers. Discussions between residents on HoL and elsewhere may help to inform that, but it will most likely be the old-fashioned representative groups that need to get their heads together to come up with something more tangible that can be put forward to the Council.
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Permalink Reply by JoeW on
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"one that suits none of us very well is more likely to be imposed from above"
Do you know what that might be Hugh? I have thought of many solutions, including several which are frankly ludicrous. But they are all better than the previous status quo.
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No, not yet, but let's say for example they removed all current traffic management controls currently in place. (There's no suggestion that this might happen; I mention it for the sake of illustration). If it were to happen, there would be no winners, apart from those who want to use our neighbourhood as a traffic corridor.
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Permalink Reply by V&M on
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It seems like most people don't have a problem with the idea of improving the Green Lanes situation, they just don't believe that the traders will allow the changes required. It must be worth re-examining measures which were rejected previously now there's some data on how traffic is behaving since the closure. I understand someone was measuring air quality, is there any publicly available information on this or other aspects? It sounds like a lot of the refusal of change was down to fear of the unknown. Now it's a bit more known, perhaps there's a better chance of reasonable compromise.
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Permalink Reply by Esat Karahasan on
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I'm so happy to see a Wightman resident who openly admits to enjoying the benefits of the current closures, but to the same time has an understanding of the effects it will have on other areas. Though I welcome any ideas other than the full closure some wightman residents are unwaveringly pushing for, especially well considered, planned and thought out ones. Though might I just add whilst I personally also benefit from the cleaner air, peace and quite on Wightman I can not agree that even limiting its use would be a sensible solution as it would have the same knock on effect as closing it entirely, I believe this has been proven by the traffic study. As Hugh has quite rightly said rather than working against each other we need to work together and ding a common ground, voice and goal, a goal suitable to all businesses and residents, Haringey in general and the surrounding area that the Wightman closure has so drStically impacted. I also disagree that introducing a red route on green lanes or any such measure would do anything more than make way for the reversal of haringeys growth and development over the years, people flood in to Haringey from all over London for its multicultural shops, restaurants and bars, the same shops restaurants and bars we all love Haringey for so much! If we take away the ability for their customers to park how long do you think it will take before All of this progress and development is reversed, how long before green lanes looses its appeal and turns into a stretch of west green road, or wors, I'm old enough to and still I remember Edmonton Fore Street pre the A406 underpass, I also see the type of business and use this junction had since and how the existing business suffered the building became dilapidated and has become a dead zone and never recovered! We must think of all the consequences of our actions and plan for all not just for those who apart from a few acceptions seems to want nothing more than a private cycle route to Finsbury Park and to blight others with a traffic problem that was exisistent when said residents moved to the area. If we where to close Wightman road or restrict all through traffic, bring in heavier Parking restrictions or even red route into green lanes etc the impact on the wider area is one thing but the impact on Harringay would take away the reason most of the campaigning residents live in the areas in the first place!
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Esat, rather than focussing on the many problems, do you have any suggestions for improvements? It sounds a lot like you want it to all just go back to how it was. Which is fine, but not super constructive in a conversation about trying to find a mid point.
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The survey shows 38% of Ladder households with a car. That means more parking spaces could be created for any lost to the red route.
I have mentioned an outer London congestion charge based on crossing the North Circular. Nobody seems to be objecting to that?
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Thanks Peter, that sounds like good logic re: parking spaces. Perhaps people would appreciate some more pay and display bays around the ladder and Wightman- I find it a real pain in the bum keeping a stock of visitors permits.
Re: outer London congestion charge, one for the longer term pile perhaps
especially given the Mayor's plans for an additional emissions based charge.
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Well personally I wouldn't have an issue with a congestion charge because I don't use my car between 7am and 6pm Monday to Friday. I think road charging would be fairer. I think bigger cars should pay more.
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An outer London congestion charge is a matter for the Mayor and the GLA. In the meantime, I've been floating the idea of hyperlocal road pricing on other threads. As I understand it, this would be in control of our Council, would be cheap or cost free for the Council to administer and set-up. I see no other practical way of controlling traffic flow on Wightman (which of course doesn't mean there isn't one - but it's certainly yet to be identified).
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I agree. Do Gardens residents pay to maintain their gated access? I am sure Ladder drivers would pay a fee for this.
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