Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Hampden Road/New River/Railway site development
I read somewhere that Fairview New Homes have now arranged a public exhibition to view their proposals for the above site. Given the horrific first proposal I am concerned what they have come up with. It seems they are only allowing residents very short windows on viewing this at the Falkland Centre, N. Harringay Primary School, entrance via Frobisher Road, on 11 and 12 April between 4pm and 8pm on both days. I guess they are counting on most people being busy at those times and avoiding lots of visitors by not having a viewing on a weekend.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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I think the timelines for this are closer but here is something about the coming disruption that will be caused by electric vehicles. Now I would make the point that because they are so cheap to OWN, we will not be allowed to own them. Selling someone a vehicle driven by a heavy internal combustion engine is a great wheeze because you get to "service" it and continuously make money that way. Fully electric cars do not need this kind of servicing. I think it's extremely short sighted of developers to continue to offer car parking spaces. They would be serving the residents much better if they spent the money on lighting the building properly (lots of these new developments don't have modern fibre internet access like we do in Victorian homes on the ladder) and providing a well lit turning area for Uber's coming fleet of automated taxis.
Agree with your comments re: the height. Under the London Development Plan you are allowed to build much denser closer to a public transport access point.
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Permalink Reply by 0n59eal4meshz on
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John
Living in a car-free houselhold I am loath to quote the chairman of VW, especially given the recent scandal. However, VW do know something about making 'real' cars and Uber and Google know next- to-nothing. His view is that this idea that dense cities will allow fleets of 'driverless' cars to prowl the roads is a 'total fantasy'. They won't reduce congestion, they are likely to increase it. And that's all I'll say about 'driverless cars' on this thread!
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I think that's why the technology is called disruptive and I would expect the chairman of VW to say nothing short of what you have quoted him as saying.
Electric cars are MUCH simpler to make than ones with the very, very heavy internal combustion engines and gearboxes that current motor vehicles have. I'd also point out that most of the body weight and the increasing widths of modern cars is because we can't drive properly but robots can.
Someone has made the point on another thread that we don't have driverless trains or tubes. I think if you scratch a little you'll see that there is either a trade union involved or the "driver" is just babysitting the robot. The later is especially becoming the case with commercial aircraft.
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It was demolished and I remember well how ugly that was. But it was replaced with low rise buildings that were in keeping with the area so are we not going back on ourselves again if such buildings are permitted in low rise residential areas?
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(a) I don't believe them.
(b) See response to Stuart. This is a mistake.
(c) Residential flats have to have some outside space proportionate to the inside space. Flats for students are exempt from this, as they are from other requirements like their own kitchen.
(f) That doesn't sound like a great tip - north facing, really?.
(g) The gardens will be gated and just there for the benefit of residents. This will not be in the development plan but they will slip it in at the end after a visit from the police who will recommend it.
Nice that they've even considered selling to you and not to China though. Did they say if any of them had been sold yet?
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With good, poke-you-in-the-eye reason:
the site is the highest local point, east of the railway and north of Effingham Rd. So the buildings are already effectively raised by a few storeys relative to other housing in that part of the Ladder, and particularly on Turnpike Lane and Hornsey Park Rd. Effectively not 14 storeys maximum, but more like 17-18 judging by the contours on an Ordnance Survey map.
Yes from a range of viewpoints the height will be obscured by nearer low-rise buildings, and passers-by may well mostly be visually preoccupied by being drivers or pedestrians, but the residents on the west side of Wightman Rd won't be able to miss that massive block in their view. Dick Harris's sunsets might have a jagged chunk out of them in future.
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The original application in 2013 was for 9 storey tower blocks and 80 apartments and this was rejected by Haringey council because the "height, bulk and outline would pay insufficient attention to the character of the area and would appear an overdominant feature in the townscape" and because of the "density of accommodation which is excessive for the site and locality" (http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/Attachm...)
Now the new proposal is for 14 storey tower blocks and 176 apartments on the Haringey ladder (http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/Applica...). Surely this is even more in breach of Haringey council's criteria for rejection. 14 storey tower blocks and 176 apartments is a huge number for this site and not in keeping with the area at all.
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Is there a way to object to this with the council? These buildlings seem completely out of character on the ladder, and would dominate (and shade) many nearby residences.
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If you click on Max's second link and scroll down, there's a 'Comment on Application' button - away you go..... Also, your ward councillors are another point of contact.
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I attach a letter we received regarding the planning permission. You have until 20 June to respond. They pulled down a tower block and replaced with the low rise housing in Denmark road and now they want to build 14 story buildings. 14 stories are approximate 70 meters tall according to this website http://www.ctbuh.org/HighRiseInfo/TallestDatabase/Criteria/HeightCa...
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You have probably seen that a planning application has now been submitted for up to 14 storeys? This is the letter.
Dear Sir/Madam
Town and Country Planning Act 1990
Town and Country Planning (General Development Procedure) Order 1995
Location: Railway Approach Hampden RoadN8 0HG
Proposal: Demolition of the existing buildings and redevelopment of the site to provide two buildings of between 4 and 14 storeys in height comprising 174 residential units (Use Class C3) and 160 sqm flexible B1 floorspace, including the provision of private and communal amenity areas, child play space, secure cycle parking, car parking, refuse and recycling storage areas and other associated development
An application has been received in respect of the proposed development described above.
I would appreciate receiving your observations by 20/06/2016. After that period, the application may be taken into consideration and decided by this Council.
This is a link where you can view the application and associated documents and provide comments online:
http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/Applica...
You can also view comments made by other parties – they will be shown on the applications details page at the bottom under the attachments tab.
Any comments you make via the online method will be shown online.
Yours faithfully
Valerie Okeiyi
Development Management Officer
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