Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Consultation on School Admission Arrangements
School Admissions Consultation
This only applies to primary schools at the moment. I would have though the issue is even more pressing for secondary schools?
I don't get how this is a consultation though. I have heard nothing via the schools my children attend.
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Permalink Reply by Angela on
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I agree Justin.
It's not just school staff, the pupils themselves, their parents and carers, the Governors, but also the PSA and the local community what makes a school what it is.
Successive governments, LEAs and the media are too focussed on results.
Having said that, my children's experience of school is more enjoyable than mine but as someone asked on QT recently - are our schools joyless exam factories?
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Permalink Reply by DavidJ on
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We can draw some conclusions about value added from the limited data on school characteristics:
http://www.education.gov.uk/cgi-bin/schools/performance/group.pl?qt...
The differing levels of special needs, English not first language, and free school meals in Haringey schools are very striking. The more Western schools look socially very different (Fortismere does not even look like a comprehensive school!!).
Comparing the characteristics with 2015 performance (English Bac) - Heartlands, Hornsey, Gladesmore, and Woodside really punch above their weight. They are clearly doing very, very well.
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Permalink Reply by Malcolm on
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You're right - the 2016/2017 criteria and 2017/18 are different. My mistake.
It does seem a little disingenuous for the consultation to not call out the change for HSG as a change - but maybe it was consulted on in the 2016/17 consultation, as the 2016/17 admissions do have a "This criterion will not apply after 1st March 2016" under the areas bit. Although it's unclear exactly what criterion this applies to.
However, since HSG is undersubscribed the area bits never come into play - so can't be responsible for the social diversity
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The reason it is not 'oversubscribed' is because it is genuinely socially diverse. It has maintained that diversity by insisting on taking girls from across the borough.
Once the catchment becomes distance only - given its location and history HSG will change over a few years so that it will be less diverse and more like APS, Highgate Wood and Fortismere in terms of its intake.
I think that this is a real shame.
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I want my child to be able to walk to school.... to borrow/adapt a line from The League of Gentlemen "local schools for local children"
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I don't follow your argument here. The area-based allocation only comes into play if the school is over-subscribed.
If it isn't (and it hasn't been for the last several years) then everyone who applies gets in. Which means that lots of people who live close to the school AREN'T applying for HSG - so distance based admission makes zero difference.
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Oh joy and rapture!! This is what I have been campaigning to achieve for 3 years! My son had to wait for 2 years to get a place at the school 0.22 miles away.... in the interim I had to battle to get to and from the under-subscribed school 1.5 mile car trip away.... adding to traffic and my blood pressure.... when I submitted an FOI request, over half the year I was trying to get my son into came from outside of the immediate area... the vast majority of whom will have been awarded those places because of siblings. One boy (I found out from the family themselves) was the youngest of 5 siblings, and the family had moved out of the area ten years earlier. Simply not fair. It was also absolutely clear that at no point were the parents of children who had moved out of the area asked (not forced, just asked) to relinquish their place, or provided with advice on how to transfer to a school nearer to their new home. I think this move will make sure that people stop this renting out a place for a year just to get a place for the eldest child, safe in the knowledge that all the children that follow will automatically get a place too.
I think the issues for secondary schools are different in that a) children are old enough to get themselves to school and b) there are many fewer secondary schools than primaries. I'm already considering my options for secondary school although my son is only 8 in January. He will have to travel at least a mile and half to get to any school, and probably won't get the one that is practical to get to by public transport.
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I've just completed the online consultation and there was a section on secondary schools where the criteria for siblings remains unchanged....so my comment was that the sibling criteria for primaries should be applied for secondary schools too.... I also commented that "as the crow flies" distances aren't very helpful in a Borough like Haringey inter-laced with railway lines and with no through routes dictated by industrial areas and road closures to stop rat runs. The school my son was allocated was 0.7 miles "as the crow flies" but was actually 1.5 miles by road.
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For parents who swear that their gaggles of goslings are really bevies of cygnets, the consultation of halibut at Haringey Education should change the distance stipulation to "as the swan swims". They may not have noticed that for 402 years the flight of the crow has been outdated by the New River with Harringay school catchment areas, and choice of convenient school, extended to Hackney and Hertford. St Edward's at Ware, for instance, would make an excellent choice for an aspirational Ladder parent. For your own peace of mind and your young swan's educational future, escape the tyranny of the tracks and the widespread heresy that Western Education and Thought are somehow defined by admission to what David calls "Western schools" - presumably institutions west of Tottenham Lane.
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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That was almost poetry OAE.
I know your school days are behind you, but if you want to stay in touch with the kids you need to do it in 140 characters or less these days...
I should say though, I do admire how you managed to get ecology/biology, history, geography, social policy, politics, and a touch of moral philosophy all into one post!
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OAE's posts often see me having to refer to the dictionary, encyclopedia or google! The most recent example I can think of where I had to do this was a reference to the Ides of March.
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Alas, Justin and Angela, Homer occasionally nods. My reference to St Edward's at Ware was meant to be St Edmund's College, Ware - now an International Bac school - age 3 - 18+, with Boarding if desired - quite swimmable for even the youngest cygnets via New River from South & Central Ladder to environs of Ware and Hertford. Possible caveat: St Edmund's claims to be England's oldest Catholic school, now catering to all religions - but they omit to add the usual catch-all phrase "and none".
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