Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Is this snobbery?
PERHAPS the most lasting image and memory of last night's Rochester & Strood By-election, will be the effect of a Parliamentary Opposition front-bencher's use of that most risky of political tools, the "tweet" ...
Was image from #Rochester, snobbery?
Here's the image. Unlike the original tweeted image, I've obscured the resident's vehicle registration number. The issue of privacy was later cited by Mr Ware.
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Permalink Reply by Philip on
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Be fair John. Who in their right minds would want to hang out at the Ship? The Tollgate is ok though if you like cheap beer but don't mind rude overworked staff and crap Guinness.....
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reminds me of Gordon the Gopher, who couldn't handle a woman's complaint about immigration, preferring to consider her a bigot.
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I think she was bang on first time around. Emily Thornbury was brought up on a council estate, single parent family etc...and was completely aware of the semiology of her 'tweet' photo.
Dan Ware is also completely aware of the reason he has so many St Georges flags so prominently over the front of his house, to the extent of covering his windows, and on permenant display.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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Ah yes Emily Thornberry, born in Surrey, daughter of a professor later assistant secretary general to the UN? Being raised on a council estate in Guildford in the late '60s she may have been (and how fed up am I to see people trying to prove their 'credentials' by saying they were raised on a council estate? They are not synonymous with poverty or lack of aspiration - Emily's connections through her mother and father would have ensured she wasn't disadvantaged) but she is now a wealthy woman in a position of power trying to win votes and for a seasoned politician not to understand that broadcasting that tweet on election day was foolish showed a lack of judgement. She was bang on only in the sense that she pandered to the view of who *is thought* to vote UKIP.
By the way Mr Ware doesn't live on a council estate, he's a homeowner. He didn't vote.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Bob Marshall Andrews said far worse to some of Rochester's residents.
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The difference is he was saying it to them and challenging them to justify their position - that is called politics. Dear Emily was being a snob from a distance. If only she'd knocked on his door and had it out with him.
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"Emily Thornbury was brought up on a council estate, single parent family etc...and was completely aware of the semiology of her 'tweet' photo." The only credentials was wether she could read the message conveyed by those flags.
Mr Ware was trying to convey a message, Emily Thornbury read that message, no more no less, and yes for an ambitious politician posting this photo showed terrible judgement.
"By the way Mr Ware doesn't live on a council estate, he's a homeowner. He didn't vote. "
By the way Mr Ware is a cage fighting, used car salesman, and probaly a very sweet guy but none of this matters.
You are right that the people who vote UKIP are from a wide backgound, and the rise of UKIP is exremely worrying, but wether we like it or not flying the St Georges flag is associated with nationalist politics and flying those flags was sending very clear messages to people on all sides.
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Yes, it can be, ( aren't all flags - were we all worried about it when the Saltire was flying everywhere? Or was that just folksy?) but I'm not sure that the people who vote UKIP are being so obliging as to put flags outside their house to let us know where they live.
It does matter that Mr Ware didn't vote. His flags, his van, his tattoos his [insert stereotypical characteristic;of working class white man] aren't to blame. Maybe it's the little old lady next door who takes the Daily Mail or the Express and does remember to vote in every election who Emily should be sharing photos of. Or maybe I'm stereotyping too?
16,867 did vote for Mr Reckless. Those are the ones the parties (and most importantly the Tories since R&S was never going to be a close thing for the LP) should be quizzing as to their motivation. But he only held the seat by 2,920 a majority that Tories could overturn at the GE - people do protest vote in by-elections- and, of course, more people there *didn't* vote for UKIP so let's not judge the people of Rochester and Strood by their ambitious little MP who is enjoying the limelight at the moment.
For the record, I don't think people should be fired from their job for being a snob, I imagine *most* of the front bench of the Labour Party would struggle with that, but Emily, a lawyer who surely must have done some reading on libel law, publishing and defamation at the University of Kent, does need to have a good think about when to stay off Twitter if she's a bit excited by an election, as do many other politicians to be honest, cf Mike Fabricant. She jumped because Labour "aides" are controlling the image of the Party so tightly in their #6monthstowin campaign that I imagine she wasn't given a choice in the matter.
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The flag stuff is whataboutery. The St George Cross is mostly flown by racists rather than football fans. There are three, covering windows, for a World Cup that was months ago. #nasty
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Reply by John D 5 hours ago
" The owner of the Strood house, Dan Ware, 36, a father of four who works in the motor trade, said the flags had been on his house since the World Cup ""Dan Ware is defiant "I will continue to fly the flags- I don't care who it pisses off"."
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