Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
The filthiest stretch of pavement in the borough?
The 50m or so of Green Lanes between the railway bridge and Stanhope Gardens must be a strong contender. The amount of unbagged and illegally bagged rubbish it attracts is unbelievable. These pics show the haul this morning at 0845, with broken glass and filthy tissue strewn liberally about. The pavements themselves are disgustingly dirty at the dumpsites because they're never washed. Yes, I've reported it through the app, to my councillor and directly on the Veolia website.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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My thanks, kind Madam. I hope my quick pastiche led a few people to enjoy Gracie Fields' "Biggest Aspidistra".
I didn't know before looking up the words that, although Gracie sang in her lovely Lancashire accent, the song was written by Londoners. One of whom, later wrote the English words for the wartime German song: Lily Marlene.
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Permalink Reply by Ruth on
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So many contenders! But my patch, the one cited here first of all, just gets worse it seems. I've lived here quite a while now and feel that we took one step forward some years ago but now three steps back.
Hard to believe this is part of a 'great' capital in a developed country. The glossy brochures shown to overseas investors don't relate to everyday reality of parts of London like this.
The new pavements have made things worse cus they show the grime, fat, oil, vomit and kebabs etc so much more than the old ones did.
I seem to start my day now taking out of my bit of yard in front the rubbish that someone has thrown over into it. I'm still annoyed about my courgette plant being nicked but the other morning found a discarded suitcase chucked over squashing a little plant I'd put there. A whole suitcase. Usually it's just cans and that type of crap.With all the development going on this side and that, it will only get worse. I think common decency and sense of sharing a community has gone from round here. A minority care. Most don't. Some of downright selfish chucking rubbish all over the place. I think I'm seriously nearing the point of wanting to move away from here now.
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Phil, it's not my neighbours. It's people passing by, those who eat in their cars and chuck wherever they're parked and the suitcase probably someone nearby looking to evenly distribute their unwanted stuff throughout the neighbourhood. There are many people coming here on a short term basis, looking for work etc as we know, and they might be partly to blame as well when downloading stuff before moving on….
I've got good neighbours, thank goodness. One reason why I've stayed.
Councillors cannot change attitides and behaviour that much unless they recruit a rubbish/dumping team so large and so effective, fining people etc., that people might think twice. I've never seen anyone stopped let alone fined for trashing the area. These rubbish problems are so well known and documented. Sending more cleaners to clean up does not address the cause. Rant rant…. Ruth the Rubbish Ranter…
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Permalink Reply by rosyrose on
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I challenge people who I see casually chucking rubbish on the street, but often it feels quite a dangerous thing to do, and it certainly doesn't make you popular. It's almost impossible to catch the tippers in action. Phil, I have copied in Ali Ozbek to every complaint I've submitted to Veolia, but he doesn't seem very animated about the issue. He has politely requested a members' report, and we await the result.
Like TBD and Ruth, the apparent intractability of this problem is making me seriously consider moving away. It's hateful.
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Ruth, forgive me if I've mentioned this before. But when I first became a councillor, a Canadian named Keith Collins talked to us about how the city of Toronto had adopted a ten year plan for what you might call 'behaviour change', on issues such as recycling, littering, dumping etc. It led to my interest in some of the things we could and should learn from Canadian cities which have large population movements including immigration from across the world.
Afterwards in 2004, Zena and I were in Vancouver on holiday and we took the opportunity to talk to people from their City Council and some voluntary projects. (To make clear, at our own expense.) Unfortunately our holiday was cut short due to a bereavement. But even in a brief visit, we came away with some great ideas. Although sadly, the main lesson we learned was how in Haringey "leadership" minds were (and remain) tight-shut to any fresh thinking. (Apart from right-wing Neocon ideas, of course)
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I did some work on behaviour change a few years ago and read a lot about the broken window syndrome (which you will know about). Basically you see a broken window that doesn't get fixed so you deduce that no one cares about it. So graffiti starts to appear that doesn't get cleaned up, then people start dumping mattresses, it becomes unlovely and people consciously stay away and so on. The theory is that if you deal with the small problems quickly, the bigger problems may not occur.
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I think what I would like to see is focused enforcement. Haringey will know the real rubbish hot spots from reports they will have had about dumping. Would it be then possible to really blitz these areas for a period of time, doing on the spot fines for dumping they witness, some proper forensic work (following up names and addresses found in dumped rubbish) and coming down hard when they have the evidence? They could even recruit people temporarily over the school/college holidays to bulk up numbers. I've seen it work in other places (Kings Cross is a good example). Any councillors reading this feel like taking this up?
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This is the way forward Michael. Real action that is focused and effective. Enforcement is the key- right now there is very little of that going on so it continues and gets worse.
Bringing people together around the enforcement theme would raise awareness more, collective action but with some bite backed up by the council and their team. How wonderful that would be…
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I can almost feel a protest coming on. Block Green Lanes on a Sunday with dumped rubbish and let's see how much attention the issue will get.
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What a good idea! Dump some of the stuff that originates from the restaurants on their doorsteps. Maybe encourage them to educate their clientele about their eating out habits?
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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I can almost feel a protest coming on.
Dump some of the stuff that originates from the restaurants on their doorsteps.
Now Ladies, let me get this clear. Are you advocating a crowd-sourced mass defecation-cum-regurgitation on the doorsteps of Devran, Gokyuzu, Antepliler etc? While I agree that this is indeed the way forward, I would hesitate to be the first in line if perchance you had something else in mind.
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Not sure if anything in mind really…. Probably shouldn't be stirring the citizens into revolt and probably would get arrested for dumping rubbish!! That would be ironic. I don't blame the restaurants of course but…. loads of their clientele are treating our streets as an open rubbish tip. It's not just them, though.
But who knows… one of these days the downtrodden residents of Harringay may be revolting…
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