Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Haringey's Warehouse Districts Under Threat?
An item at tonight's Council Cabinet meeting has thrown into question the future survival of Haringey's two warehouse districts and the artistic communities who live in them.
Both the Harringay Warehouse District and the Fountayne Road community now face an uncertain future following the publication of a Haringey Council report, "Tackling Unauthorised Living in Industrial Areas". (Report attached)
The report, which was discussed at the full cabinet of the Council today, recommends a two-year project costing £600,000 which will seek to deal with "the growing problem of unauthorised residential and live work uses in and around (the) Industrial Sites" in Haringey. The recommended process is "to establish a special multi-disciplinary team to fully investigate and address the problem through a combination of regulation, improvement, enforcement and, where necessary, prosecution".
The alarm bells were ringing for me since earlier in the week I had discovered that these areas are earmarked as being amongst those that will "will accommodate the majority of development in the borough over the next 20 years".
In Facebook and Twitter conversations this afternoon, warehouse residents shared their fears that the vibrancy their communities bring to the borough will be overlooked and their communities sanitised and destroyed.
In response to my Twitter requests to Council Leader Claire Kober this evening to protect these communities, Cllr Kober sought to offer some reassurance:
@harringayonline some people in unacceptable conditions. My concern is for safe, decent properties. No intention to undermine communities
@harringayonline no intention to damage what's good. Priority is to go after rogue landlords just as we do elsewhere in borough
When I asked if she would ensure that warehouse residents will be involved, the Council Leader replied:
@harringayonline don't see any problem involving residents. Will ask officers to consider how best to achieve
I very much hope that the approach the Council takes in this project will support these communities rather than beginning the process of whittling them away.
Tags for Forum Posts: local plan, local plan 2014, site allocation plan, warehouse district
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Permalink Reply by Jacqueline Hancher on
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Jenny , if you are constantly in talks with these Haringey employees , what have they advised you to do ?
Again I offer you to be involved in a dialogue with me , at my Studio , or your house , with some of the current Tenants at Omega , to address your grievances .
There is very few residents at Omega , who would not be sympathetic to your situation , I am sure that a meeting such as this would greatly increase the prospect of resolution to the urgent, complaints relating to noise pollution ,refuse etc
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Permalink Reply by Sharon on
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Jacqueline, didnt you come on to this forum and call Jenny a liar and threaten her with legal action? Tea and cake seems unlikely to me.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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So let's prevent all courteous contact to talk and clarify the issues and find possible shared interests?
Sometimes: "To jaw-jaw is better than to war-war" — Winston Churchill
It seems extremely unlikely that German and British troops fraternised during the informal Christmas truces in 1914. But it seems some did. And the high command, back at the chateaux, forbade it. Not hard to imagine reasons why.
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Thanks for the link Alan, I knew a bit about these truces. quite remarkable. I think we might have to wait at least till christmas before J and J exchange gifts though ;)
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Permalink Reply by Abi on
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Well, it's a step in the right direction, surely ;)
Sounds to me like both residents and warehouse owners are getting a bum deal in this area. Now that's been established it makes sense that they should try and find some common ground.
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Permalink Reply by jenny on
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Its the legal tax paying residents of Hermitage road that are getting a bum deal..The landlords bring all this on themselves.Do any of them have planning permission for residential use? Why will no none answer this question..
There isn't any common ground, you obviously haven't had to put up with the noise/rubbish/abuse for the past 6 or 7 years like my family and I have.
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Dear abster , Alan and Jacqueline
If I am honest, I find some of your comments condescending.
Long before we got the council involved, we did, and Jenny still does, speak directly to tenants causing the noise. This has on occasion been dealt with by indifference, to the problems they were causing, aggression and indeed on more than one occasion mockery.
You expect that normally people will be decent , they will listen to what you have said, and where appropriate alter their behaviour. This has not been our experience of tenants on the site. I do not suggest they are all JH's tenants or that all her tenants were like this, however some were / are.
To see people suggest that a friendly chat is all that is needed to sort it out does not reflect on either of our previous experiences.
To blame the council for the root cause of the problem is disingenuous. I don't think the council have dealt with concerns from local residents appropriately but let's look at some facts here.
The council is not renting out these properties, Jaqueline and other landlords are. Presumably at a profit, unless they are part of a co operative or charity, if I have that wrong, I apologise.
Nor did I ever go over to omega works to complain about noise and find Joe Goldberg, was running the rave with a full sound system., while other councillors were screaming and shouting on the roof . The council haven't funded the firework displays in the street in the early hours of the morning , nor have they invited guests to a range of events who hoot and holler throughout the night , and urinate in the street.
Until people start accepting their responsibility in causing the problem , ( and by that I mean, landlords leasing work units to unsuitable tenants and tenants who create noise and disturbance) , I can't see how any discussions will work.
Simon
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Shouldn't that be a poem? Or at least a bit of doggerel? Somehow rhyming "want to be boss" with "don't give toss?" "Vote" handily rhymes with "boat".
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Permalink Reply by ingo pless on
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Posted on this page at Alan's request, here is a draft agreement which worked quite well on one of the sites, principally to raise awareness of noise nuisance and how to combat it. It was adopted on a voluntary basis by leaseholders and events were better managed, ceasing previous complaints.
There are some very simple and sensible things we can all do in order to avoid making other people’s lives unbearable.
The noise issue is an important one, as local residents around the gate area are at their wits end, often getting woken in the night more than once a week. This letter is to ask you please be considerate, and to make an effort to do the following.
1: If people are leaving your unit late at night, make sure they understand that they are in a residential area and should keep down their voices.
2: Taxis: A big part of the problem is that people often wait for taxis by the gates. It is better if people wait for late-night taxis to pick them up from inside your unit, or at the back car park. If you are having a celebration or event – consider putting a sign on your front door and in the loo with a local cab number - explaining to people to please be quiet when leaving. It would be good to inform the cab office you use to pick up at the back car-park and not at the gates. For your info one local cab number is 020 88005544.
3: Keeping an eye on things: If there are a lot of people about late at night, it doesn’t take much effort to walk down to the gate periodically to check people are keeping it civilised outside. This saves others from having to get out of bed to do this.
4: If it is late and groups are leaving your unit - Where possible use an exit as far as possible from the front gates.
5: Please do not do your recycling after 11pm at night.
We hope that these very simple measures will greatly alleviate the problems and complaints, whilst allowing us to continue to enjoy our community and lifestyle."
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