Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
A Short Life - Thomas G. 1890 - 1914
The death and destruction of the First World War affected most British, Allied as well as their enemies' families. With hindsight, the First World War seems to have been a rather futile war... It was really only the 'Austro-Hungarian Empire' which had an aggrievement and a 'legitimate' reason for going to war. But, imperialistic militarism soon sucked all the other large European powers in, bringing squalor, injury and death to millions.
Two of my great uncles were killed; one from Ealing on the paternal side of my family, who died on the Somme in 1916, orphaning two young daughters and Thomas Joseph G. of Tottenham (Harringay) from the maternal side, who died in France, a month after the outbreak of war in October 1914, aged 23.
The availability of WW1 service records has made it possible for a me to trace a snippet of Thomas' life in the Military, which would have otherwise remained secret. There were no honours, in fact he led a rather ordinary life and seemed to have battled with alcohol. I expect he was representative of the majority of the young (working class) men who died for 'King and Country'. I've added most of the information on Thomas that I have - because I feel it is sometimes necessary to remember that the war dead were ordinary people, living ordinary lives.
Birth and early life
Thomas was the first child of William George G. and Mary Ann H. He was born out of wedlock on 31 October 1890 at Annesley Road, Islington. (just South of Archway). Thomas' father was not mentioned on his Birth Certificate because he was working abroad with his brother in Bloemfontien, South Africa after completing a stint in Massachusetts, U.S.A. with a cousin. His parents married in 1892 at St Joseph's Church on Highgate Hill and went on to have another ten children including my grandfather born in 1899.
In the census of 1901, the family was living on Avondale Road - making them a Harringay family, enabling this history to be included on Harringay online.
The following information comes from those Service Records.
Thomas Joseph actually enlisted/attested for the army on 4 April 1907 and was posted on 8 April 1907. He signed up for 7 years with the colours and for 5 years in the Reserves. He joined the Durham Light Infantry Corps. At the time of his attestation, and on subsequent documents, his age at attestation is given as 18 years and 5 months, being born in Islington. (This information however would not have been true – he was too young to enlist, being 16 years and 5 months in April 1907: to do so meant he had to lie about his age). His trade on enlistment is given as a general labourer. He was still living at home, because he answers ‘no’ to the question of whether he has resided out of his father's house for 3 years. He has never been an apprentice, he is not married; he has never been in prison, nor previously joined any of the armed services. He has never been rejected as unfit and would be willing to be vaccinated.
At that time, he is described as 5ft 3½ " tall, weighing 115 lbs, with a chest measurement of 35; his complexion is fresh, with brown hair and eyes. He also bears a scar on the left of his neck, to the top of head and to the right eye.
His residence is given as Culvert Road, South Tottenham. And he gives his religion as Church of England, although it is more likely he was actually Catholic, as was his father, and his mother a converted Catholic.
As far as I know, no picture of Thomas has survived. My grandfather shown here, who had similar looks, also lived for a time in Harringay.
At time of enlistment, the Army had requested references and these give a little detail about what Thomas did before he enlisted. There are two references. The first was an application to a Mr Carr at the Midland Railway Chief Goods Manager's Office. The reference itself was given by a Mr H Everet, clerk: who wrote that "Thomas Joseph Griffin was in our service as vanguard at St Pancras from 1 Feb 05 to 14 May 06, when he left of his own accord. We have nothing against his honesty or sobriety. His conduct while with us was satisfactory". Also it stated that Thomas was single. The second reference was from Messrs. Horners Chemical Cleaning, 400 York Road, Camden Town where he worked from 28 November 1906 to 9 March 1907. Notated on the reference was “reference satisfactory”. His character was considered sober, honest and respectable.
Thomas Joseph would have had to have a medical on enlistment, as well as any treatments whilst in the Army. On his Medical History Sheet at enlistment - he was examined on 4 April, 1907 - it shows his birthplace as Islington, Middlesex, his age as 18 8/12, his trade being a labourer; his height 5' 3¼” with a chest measurement of minimum expansion 32 inches and maximum expansion 35 inches. His physical development is described as good. He has four vaccination marks on his left arm and was vaccinated in infancy. This sheet also shows he was revaccinated to left arm 10 April 1907, but does not say for what.
The Medical History Sheet also says that he arrived at Newcastle-upon-Tyne on 8 April 1907; departed from there on 24 May 1907 to arrive at Cork on 25 May 1907, having joined the Second Battalion.
Thomas, therefore, joined the Army Reserve of the Durham Light Infantry, his regiment number is 10022. On enlisting he is giving a travelling warrant to travel to the regiment’s base at Newcastle-upon-Tyne. He also received an advanced pay warrant, for joining the Army for Permanent Service, to cover the period which will elapse before a reservist reaches his unit.
During his time in the Army, he had to visit Colchester Hospital twice. He was first admitted on 11 February 1911 and discharged 16 February 1911 for an infection, described as contagion, mild fomentation, incision R. He is later admitted at Colchester again on 8 June 1911 and discharged on 11 July 1911, this time for a STD.
Other army record sheets give further detail of his time in the Durham Light Infantry. The Squadron Troop Battery and Company Conduct Sheet gives the date of 8 April 1907 as being when he reached the depot, and 25 May 1907 when he effectively joined the 2nd Battalion of the Durham Light Infantry. Again his trade is shown as a general labourer and being C of E. The Sheet shows that he appears to have lost good conduct badges: one was received on 4 April 1907, but forfeited on 17 July 1910. It was restated on 16 March 1913, and again forfeited on 30 August 1913. This was the date he was deprived on his Lance Corporal’s stripe which he had received on 15 March 1913. He did not hold it for long. The reason for losing it appears primarily to be a drink related problem. The Conduct Sheet states that there were six cases of drunkenness, the last instance being 29 August 1913, the day before he lost his stripe.
More detail of his behaviour and drunkenness is given on the Regimental Defaulter Sheets. The list goes:
Talworth: 17.7.10 Private: Interfering with the duties of the civil police: documentary evidence from witnesses: punishment: 8 days C.B. (confined to barracks) from 19.7.10.
Bradford: 20.8.11 Private: Drunk in barracks about 3pm when on the line of march: punishment: 8 days C.B. from 21.8.11.
Colchester 1.10.11 Private: Drunk returning to barracks about 10.30pm. Punishment: fined 2/6 and 7 days C.B. from 3.10.11
Colchester 8.12.11 Private (1). Not complying with an order given by Cpl Ross. (2) Breaking out of barracks when in arrest. (3) Drunk in town about 9.30 pm. (4) Violently resisting the ..... (5) Using obscene language. Punishment: He was fined 7/10 and had 168 hours detn. On 18.12.11 he was returned to duty.
Colchester, 16.3.12 Private Using obscene language on military road. Drunk returning to barracks about 11.15pm. Punishment: fined 7/6: 8 days C.B Date of award/or order dispensing with trial is 18.3.1912.
Colchester, 6 July 1913 Lance Corporal: drunk in his barrack rooms about 6pm. Reprimanded.
Wolverton 29.8.1913: Cases of drunkenness 6: drunk in camp about 10.35pm. Deprived of Service Strip 30 August.
So, from the above incidents, Thomas Joseph doesn't seem to have been an 'exemplary soldier'! He appeared to have a major drink problem. This is also born out on his Employment Sheet, which to be fair does also give some positive light to his character. It writes that August 1913, as Lance Corporal, his military character is described as fair, and that his nature of employment since his previous assessment was as a signaller for 5 years - and Lance Corporal since March 1913. He is described as a good worker, clean and industrious - but was addicted to drink! Date of the Employment Sheet is August 1913. So was it this particular assessment which prompted the demotion?
Thomas Joseph's military record is not exciting: there is no detail: he spent 7 years based at home from 4 April 1907 until 4 April 1914 - his seven years service before going into the reserves. There are papers when he due for transfer to the reserves stating he is fit for service, that he has a scar left of neck, top of head and right eye. The date is 3 April 1914, when Thomas signs that he had received all his pay and allowances, and has done his 7 years service: on this first transfer it states that he was employed as a signaller for nearly 5 years. Had done a transport course of 2 months; that he was industrious, clean and a good worker. There is a completed Army Reserve Sheet, repeating many of the details he had given at enlistment, namely:
Age: now given as 25 years 5 months (nb. should be 23 years 5 months)
Height: 5 ft 4½ inches (nb. note he has grown an inch: after all was only 16 when he joined up)
Chest: 37 inc. Waist 35 inch. Size of helmet 21½ . Size of boots: 7. Fresh complexion, brown hair and eyes. General Labourer as trade: Address: Albert Road, South Tottenham: that his transfer is due to completion of period of army service. Musketry information given is that he is a marksman.
First World War
Thomas’s period in the reserves is not long: soon he will be on actual active service. Therefore, from 4 April 1914 until 4th August 1914 he is in the reserves. War is declared on 4 August: he is then allowed home leave from the 5 August until 1 September, when he returns to his regiment and they leave for France on 8 September - by 13 October 1914 he is dead – just over a month in France. The news reached his family by the end of October.
The Casualty Form just notes his qualification was a Signaller, and that he was killed in action 13.10.1914.
The Field Service Record Sheet reports the death of a soldier which is forwarded to the War office: this sheet states that Griffin T. died 13 October 1914, place not known, killed in action. Stating whether he leaves a will or not - either in the pay book, small book or separate document - it states "not in my possession, none received". This record sheet is dated 24 October 1914, from Station: CHG 3rd Echelon.
After Death
After his death, correspondence continues with his home, tidying up matters as would follow the death of any soldier.
A letter is sent from the War Office on 2 March 1915 that states that the personal property of No. 10022 Pte T J Griffin, 2nd Bn Durham Light Infantry should be despatched to Mrs M A Griffin, Culvert Rd, Tottenham N. On the letter is noted "notified next of kin 30.10.1914" Also stamped on that copy of the letter is "Infantry Records, York: effects sent 22 Jan 1917".
There is a letter regarding the Memorial Scroll which writes “Dear Mrs Griffin, I beg to forward herewith Memorial Scroll in respect of the undermentioned soldier. Kindly sign the receipt form below and return same to this office at your earliest convenience. A stamped addressed envelope is enclosed for this purpose. Kindly note that the Memorial Plaque is not issued to next of kin by this office, but direct from the Government Plaque Factory, London”. His mother signs the acknowledgement.
The Infantry Records Section of York writes in July 1919 to his mother requesting information before the Office can release the plaque and scroll in commemoration of her son. The form is completed: there is no widow and no children. The family address is given as 2 Calvert Road South Tottenham: his parents named - William George Griffin and Mary Ann Griffin. This form is dated by Mary Ann Griffin 12 August 1919.
Another letter forwards to his mother the effects of Thomas, stating that “these effects are the only articles ........” - however, the rest is illegible, but understood. The letter does not state what they are. The date of this letter is not legible.
There is a memorandum sent to Mrs M A Griffin from the Regimental Paymaster at York, on 19 January 1915 stating that “with reference to your letter of 6th inst I have to inform you that full enquiries have been made and that no sum of money was found on the person of your son”.
A further letter to his mother reads “ Madam, herewith Princess Mary's Gift to the late No. 10022 Pte T Griffin of Durham Lt Infy. Kindly acknowledge receipt”.
A further piece of paper entitled an “Inside Sheet” is in respect of any personal effects, the detail given is: Officer i/c Infy Records York: That no effects here, but if same rec'd will be forwarded. 14.03.1915 to Mrs M A Griffin. Notification re: Grave: to Next of Kin. B200 for Dependants Pension 24.11.17.”
Thomas Griffin: received the "1914 Star" in thanks for his life - there is an acknowledgement 1919. And he received the British War Medal 12 January 1922. There is an acknowledgement of the Clasp to the 1914 Star, acknowledged by his brother, W P Griffin.
A final sheet gives the complete detail of his army service – though not very legible – gives the information already known:
Newcastle upon Tyne: attested 4.4.07 posted 8.4.07
Posted pte: 25.5.07
Appled unpaid Lce Corp: 14.3.13
Reverts to Pte 30.8.13
for misconduct
Army Reserve Transfer:
Mobilized at Newcastle 5 August 1914.
Killed in Action France.
A further Military History Sheet confirms his time in the army:
Country:
Home: 4.4.07 - 4.4.1914
Reserve 4.4.1914 - 4.8.1914
Home 5.8.1914 - 1.9.1914
France 8.9.1914 - 13.10.1914
Father: William Griffin
Mother: Mary 2 Culvert Rd
Thus concludes the short life of Thomas Joseph Griffin: on leaving home for France on 8 September 1914, he was, like many other young men, killed in action in little over a month. His name is commemorated on a War Grave memorial in Belgium, near a village called Ploegsteert, on the road to Ypres.
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Permalink Reply by Ruth on
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Many thanks for sharing this Stephen. It's very evocative, interesting and ultimately tragic. Barely a month over there and dead. I can never overcome the feelings of utter waste and tragedy when reading anything about WW1.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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Yes, an interesting story. And to some extent, a story of a professional soldier from any age.
Many people associate the great losses of WW1 with the trenches but in fact the majority of British casualties happened during the first few months of the war when the armies battled for control. That big line that stretched across Europe was never meant to happen. Like the wars before it, most expected the war to be quick (months, not years) and fought largely by professional soldiers - although, of course, most European countries had conscription so it's a loose definition of professional.
Britain did not have conscription and committed its regular army to the war ostensibly in support of Belgian sovereignty, guaranteed by the Treaty of London. Because of the bloody and raw nature of the war, now using equipment that was deadly like the Maxim gun which had changed the nature of battlefield fighting drastically, but army tactics that were still based on 19thC warfare like calvary charges (the German and Russian officer class in particular), British regular forces (young men like Thomas) were more and less wiped out within weeks. So the recruitment campaigns began, with many young men still believing that war was an 'adventure' that would be over quickly, the authorities at first had little difficulty encouraging men to join up. By 1916, of course, the 'excitement' of war was over and its true nature was now apparent to all.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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Yes, Liz.
But how can anyone understand anything, when the BBC's main channel broadcasts such rubbish as Paxman's programme. http://noglory.org/index.php/articles/116-jeremy-paxman-s-bbc-histo... Paxman also got his WW1 and WW2 mixed up !
It was clear to me the Brits were'nt told the truth about wars. whether it's WW1, Dunkirk or Iraq. A country obsessed with militarism and wars, but I wasn't aware that it was so bad. The propaganda bandwagon is obviously still rolling.
My grandfather, photo above, was 18 in December 1917 and was promptly packed off to what was then known as Mesopatamia. He never completely recovered from the illness he contracted there. What was he doing there? Yes, helping the British grab for oil.
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It was a little disappointing. Hoping for better in episode 2. But I don't agree with that review- Paxman is probably the wrong person to front it but his personal opinions from the Radio Times were not expressed in the documentary. It mainly stuck to what happened after war broke out and the mood of the country as the war entered its first phase.
Re the time and the facts- Germany did have a lot of mobilised men, so did France and Russia. Britain was one of the few countries that didn't have conscription. Germany did have detailed plans for war and the Kaiser was obsessed with battles between Teutons and Slavs although he assumed Britain would be on his side. Germany did want a place in the sun i.e. an empire. WW2 was not inevitable - the Weimar Republic could and should have succeeded. Hitler was not an inevitable consequence of Versailles.
But this programme failed because it didn't mention the Balkan Wars, the alliances and the arms races and the ailing Ottoman Empire. It was shallow in the sense it avoided complicated historical themes.
So yes, the programme fell down by not exploring origins and failed to explain how Aug 1914 came about. It was not as good as it could have been and maybe Paxman is to blame. I was disappointed as the historical advisor is a highly respected German academic.
But British people are not sheep and there is a world of literature and alternative viewpoints that are easily accessible. Including German ones. Don't assume that the debate isn't being had.
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The programme was good for what it offered in the way of the 'home front' just as war began with lots of footage and b/w pics.
I didnt expect it to go into causes, the Ottoman Empire and Austro-Hungarian Empire in decline etc.
Let's face it, it was on BBC1 at prime time so it could not be too complicated or controversial. That would be for another channel, another time. It had to be entertaining as well as informative. This sort of programme is not a history lesson or documentary (and even documentaries are always subjective, skewed by the views and agenda of those making them.) The viewers will make what they will of it- we are not all passive receptacles waiting to absorb what comes out of the box.
Paxman is a popular TV personality so he got the job of being the presenter…. This is not his forte really. I would have like to have seen a woman presenting but they often get passed over for the so-called more heavy-weight male voices of authority. How many women with grey hair do we see presenting peak time programmes? Sorry if I have hijacked the discussion to rant about gender inequalities.
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I agree with you, Ruth. Women tend to get to present all the social history programmes but military and political history is the preserve of the chaps although the historical advisor on The Great War is a woman, Annika Mombauer, a leading WW1 historian.
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I think such a person would have been good but probably few have heard of her… so BBC opt for an older male presence who is known.
It's ironic that the next few programmes are going to be featuring women working in factories, on farms, coping alone at home etc but we'll have an older male telling us how it was…. hmm!
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Yes, not inevitable.
But a consequence, of the injustice that the majority in Germany were told and felt had been done to them.
The German view is, as I see it, 'Remembrance not Celebration'. There is, of course, nothing to celebrate. But even Boris couldn't resist getting a mention of the use of Buses in WW1 in his electioneering '2014- Year of the Bus' campaigning celebration.
I do wonder why everything has kicked off so early. Is TV really so short of new programming? Surely July/August would have been a better time to start it all off. Don't forget the war lasted for four years. At this rate, evryone will be sick and tired of it all by 2018. But by then, Cameron or Boris may have acheived their goals and it will have been worth it for them.
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I think Stephen that WW1 programming fulfils part propaganda gung ho type of purpose as you allude to and also because some of it would be a relatively cheap way of filling up air time which you also refer to.
The BBC can make use of its own archives to some extent plus those of organisations who probably don't charge for their use. And they can interview members of the public who are of course pleased to be included but who won't get paid for their information or services. And travel to the battlefields is relatively cheap these days with Eurostar… Paxman will get his fee, of course.
I think that remembrance should be the priority indeed- nothing to celebrate. And there should be some apology from the descendants of those leaders who sent millions to be massacred. Probably those descendants include the likes of Cameron, Johnson etc…
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I'm old enough to just about remember the 1964 '50 years later' BBC TV series on WW1.
At that time, there were so many people living, who had been deeply affected by WW1. I can't recall any jingoism, in fact, the opposite.
What has changed then in the subsequent 50 years. The political class! Politicians trying, once again, to capitalise on nationalism. It makes me very sad.
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Yes it is sad but also makes me angry. I think the media has also changed a lot- it has grown massively and become such an integral part of our life with entertainment now often uppermost rather than an information and education.
I remember when still quite young watching The World at War on WW1 and this affected me deeply.. the horrors that were shown on a Sunday afternoon usually and the pointlessness of it. Those programmes shaped my views very early on.
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