Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
House prices
Speak to the estate agents, something unprecedented it's happening with the cost of home ownership, especially between wood green tube and ally pally.
It's possible this government may become known as seeing through the largest distribution of wealth from the poor to the rich ever ....
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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JJ. by the "current Haringey regime" for regeneration I guess you mean Claire Kober and Alan Strickland. I'm not in a position to "admit" or "deny" anything about what Kober cares about. Apart I'd guess from remaining Dear Leader of the Council and having a political career. I used to have some respect for Alan Strickland. In North Tottenham we'll soon discover if he has any backbone and principles. Or is just another pointless puppet.
I went to a "Soundings" faux-consultation event. It was the same wish-list approach as on Love Lane Estate. I imagine it'll be used to justify whatever Kober/Strickland want.
Apologies for assuming Grainger plc now own Seven Sisters Market. I'd guessed they have been buying-up "parcels" of land. But I haven't tracked this. Ask Wards Corner Coalition.
I was not aware until recently of the wider social cleansing agenda across London. (And in other large cities.) After the riot I started putting together what I was seeing, hearing, and reading.
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)
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Permalink Reply by Neville Collins on
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There's a huge difference between the Heygate Estate and North Tottenham. The answer... location.
Heygate is nearer the Elephant and castle, an increasingly popular area of London, with Borough Market, The South Bank and the City on its doorstep, with excellent transport links to the West End and Canary Wharf. Also, their local council actually delivers good public services.
By contrast, despite what many say on this forum, there is still no real demand for property in Tottenham. Even if Haringey Council 'manages' to get the local residents, organisations and businesses to leave, developers would still find it difficult to attract people to 'buying' any of the 'homes' that would be built. The area surrounding Spurs, in a worse-case scenario, could resemble the look of many derelict, empty parts of cities in the north of England.
Haringey Council in the past has never, ever, been developer friendly, so why did they change now? Before the riots, they simply didn't give a stuff. After struggling to get Grainger to gain control of the Ward's Corner building, I still believe both the council's and the borough's reputation will prevent any serious regeneration and ongoing private-sector investment in the area now, and in the future.
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Permalink Reply by JJ B on
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I agree that Heygate's location closer to the central London's more pricey neighbourhoods does mean that there is a more immediate attraction for higher priced homes.
But you forget that the railway line through to Enfield and Cheshunt is due to pass to TFL and the psychological effect of appearing on the tube map, the consequent expected improvement in frequencies and level of services, as with the East London line extension and mere pressure for home availability will make the area more 'attractive'. I am surprised that you too lack confidence in the area! I agree though that thesituation is also down to leadership and vision and just new shiny blocks is not enough. Spurs has blighted the area with its plans more so than the riots, by first buying up and closing down and then knocking down the traditional street frontages! Now the high rd there is being taken over by fast food outlets and bars/ off licences that feed the football crowd. It is not a 'healthy' high street.
I don't know what you mean by 'regeneration' . It is such a vague catch all phrase. And everyone is calling out for it. LBOH has named its Grainger demolition plans as the "regenaration of Seven Sisters" when all they are doing is destroying a community and its assets and displacing the people to make way for a redevelopment scheme that will replace tired buildings with bland generic ones. The people will be moved elsewhere. In some cases it will create hardship.
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As long as enough houses are not being built and that property taxes (based on value and ownership, including for overseas investors) are not introduced, this situation will continue until the bubble bursts.
And Tottenham is only catching up with the rest of London as the prices here were relatively very, very, low given the transport links to the area.
I'll never forget that when I lived off Clapham High St some years ago people would tell me it was a "sh** hole" and just look at it now.
Housing is going to be pushed up the political agenda and we will see whether Miliband's Labour has more than sticking plaster solutions!
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@ Tris....."but the area feels neglected and run down, held back by the lack of a proper centre. It's in desperate need of regeneration."
Have you seen what Wood Green high rd looks like? It was " regenerated several decades ago. Go further up the High Road to Edmonton and you will see the results of " regeneration"!
What do you mean by 'a proper centre'? Are you pushing for a shopping mall? Unfortunately small shopping malls are no longer successful. The Wood Green mall has gone through a downward spiral over the last decade! The trend is towards large destination type Westfields and so High rds need to make themselves relevant and distinctive to attract both local and outside footfall. West Green rd is a very busy shopping street used by many locals for their supplies. It area could do with a wider variety of eating establishments. For this to happen it has to be encouraged by improving the PUBLIC REALM and enforcing planning policy on shop fronts so that it will be more attractive. If you want grander shopping hop on the tube and in 15 minutes you can be in John Lewis at Oxford Circus...really!
Be careful what you ask for. As Pam says a heritage-led restoration and renovation for Wards Corner would be far more of an asset to the West Green rd part of Tottenham. Although I am not a fan of multiples, you can see what effect the renovation of existing store fronts has had with Costa coffee and Sainsbury's moving in. These did NOT involve demolition.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Yeah, where people live and children used to play in the streets outside their houses.
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Permalink Reply by Edel B on
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Children still play out on the street in Noel Park, off Wood Green High Road - particularly where traffic calming measures have reduced the level of rat-run traffic.
I can't see Shopping City becoming a Swallows and Amazons paradise in the near future - not till the betting shops and payday loan shops are radically curtailed.
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re betting shops curtailed..Ladbrokes said that "some councils are now placing whatever obstacles they can in the way of our ability to obtain planning permission" for betting shops". In response, the planning minister Nick Boles wrote back to Ladbrokes saying: "I do recognise that this can be a significant problem and we are taking action to tackle it." http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/nov/10/planning-law-changes...
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yes FPR, used to. Before drivers bullied them off of the streets without so much as a by your leave.
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I am actually going from historical photographs on this website. I am from New Zealand and played in the street. It was amazing, tarmac and flat. Great for football and cricket.
If only drivers were prosecuted for what they did all those years ago they would not be driving around with umpunity now. If you want to kill someone, do it with a car.
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