Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Crossrail 2
Detailed plans for Crossrail 2 have been published today, with the Mayor promoting it hard.
Excitingly, the proposed stop at Wood Green (in previously mooted plans) has been moved south to Turnpike Lane. I would imagine that there is still a prospect for an entrance at Wood Green in a join Ally-Pally-Wood-Green station, as the trains will be very long indeed.
Here is the news and route plan: http://www.itv.com/news/london/2013-02-05/crossrail-2-plan-unveiled/
Congratulations Harringay home owners - you probably just got richer.
Ben
Tags for Forum Posts: crossrail 2
Replies to This Discussion
-
Permalink Reply by Ruth on
-
And perhaps some homes would need to be demolished to make way for Crossrail station?
Need to see the plans of course and it is very early days
-
Permalink Reply by Arkady on
-
Nah, loads of space on Duckett's Common ;-)
Seriously though, it may well be that the existing underground entrance would suffice - certainly it has room to be expanded by getting rid of the concessions outside.
-
-
They will probably have need to demolish something! Especially during building the whole thing. But I wont worry about it for another 15 years or so....
-
Permalink Reply by pamish on
-
Yay, a straight hop from here to Ally Pally. But I'll be 80 so I hope there will be plenty of lifts.
-
-
I think the Tpike Lane to Ally Pally could be a lift like that expensive Emirates one over the Thames Boris gifted to the citizens of London. Just fly over Wood Green!
-
Permalink Reply by 0au62mcjc4khe on
-
Take this proposal with a pinch of salt, I remember it being announced in the 90s and we are still waiting! It is a flawed plan and needs to take over more surface rail lines and link them up across London.
The irony of this one is that they closed the Seven Sisters to Palace Gates line in the early 60s so avoiding electrifying the line. Haringey council in its wisdom acquired the land, demolished the residual railway and so we are left with no transport link.
Compare with Hackney, where the Overground route from Shoreditch to Dalston was carefully preserved by Hackney Council, and that became their contribution to the Overground network. Canny, eh?
What is really needed is a major review of how to extend the Finsbury Park to Moorgate line across to South London, a much more viable option.
-
Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
-
I agree that the Moorgate line has huge potential as the basis for the Crossrail route, with a south extension out via London Bridge and an underground spur off to the east from Hornsey via Turnpike Lane station (or Alexandra Palace east using The Sandlings), plus good bus links from Harringay, Hornsey and Alexandra Park stations
-
-
It would make sense to improve these existing lines and services and getting them to join up properly. The Overground is a big success now and yet was a rundown and infrequent reliable system before. shame about the ally pally line being closed down. The Beeching closures contributed to the concreting of the country with motorways.
-
-
Hi Ric
Can you suggest some alternative northern routes that benefit Haringey in the way that this scheme does? I'm not suggesting that 'benefitting Haringey' should be the main priority for Crossrail 2, but I'm interested in the possibilities.
Re Finsbury Park to Moorgate, I'm rather surprised to see you bringing it up. Is it not firmly established that such an extension is impossible (despite looking so easy on the tube map) because of a combination of problematic angles and levels and the plethora of objects in the way, such as the Central Line, Bank of England vaults, etc? Not to mention the near-impossibility of extending any of the existing platforms. certainly nothing could be done without closing the line for years, which would be hugely problematic.
Also, however silly it was to build over the Palace Gates line, it's not quite comparable to Hackney's situation. The latter would have had to demolish a significant viaduct (well used by businesses along its length) before building over the line.
-
-
It is time a rational study was done as to whether or not the 'Northern City' could be extended southwards to link with a suitable route from South London. It is the same situation as the Bakerloo Line where the clamour for a southern extension is growing. Thi has a stronger case than the Northern to Battersea, as this would bring in a crosstown tube link to Camberwell Green, and much of that tunnel run exists now, then turning east towards Peckham Rye. Continuing, it could ideally make an interchange with entrances to New Cross and New Cross Gate, continuing on to Lewisham. The suggestion that it continues on to the surface near Ladywell, and takes over the Hayes branch is the logical progression.
We would benefit with that convenient interchange at Oxford Circus taking passengers into south London.
There are so many possibilities, and while Crossrail 2 has merits, a more likely longer term routing is to take over another surface rail line, like the Enfield Line, which offers major improvements to Enfield Town and Cheshunt. This is a long way off, and locally we need to push for better services on existing routes, as these will remain much the same for the next 10 to 15 years before Crossrail 2 gets a sniff at public money.
-
-
Hi Ric
As per my post above, I thought this was known impossibility? I'm not expert, but it's one of those perennial topics that comes up on London Reconnections and elsewhere - usually in connection with connecting it with the Waterloo & City. The answer always seems to be the same: it is impossible becasue of all the existing tunnels (Central Line, Crossrail) and various deep shelters and basements (especially the Bank of England vaults) immediately south of it. The gradients and curves necessary to take the line south of Moorgate would be unfeasible.
In addition, the N&C can only handle 6-cars. There's no point spending lots of money on a 6-car crossrail, so the existing N&C would have to be closed for years to extend the existing stations (some of which may be unextendable in their current locations). As station boxes are the most expensive part of these projects, it would be more cost effective just to bore a brand new tunnel. Further, what would you do with all the Welwyn & Hertford services while the N&C was closed? KX can't handle them.
© 2024 Created by Hugh.
Powered by
