Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Plans show two thirds of St Ann's Hospital to be developed for housing
Concept diagram from the new plans
The initial plans for the redevelopment have been published and show two thirds of the site being developed for housing.
Whilst the hospital on Harringay's borders is to keep all of its current health provisions, they will now be condensed onto the eastern third of the 29-acre site. The western end of the site is to be developed for “green” housing. The plans show a mix of private / social housing and rent. There will also be a "town square" and limited retail space.
The attached pdf shows the outline plans in more detail.
The historic water tower and green corridor running along the south boundary will be kept.
People will be able to air their views during an eight-week consultation, which began on Monday and runs until Friday, August 3.
Every household in Haringey is due receive a copy of the public consultation document and there are also a number of open events planned:
- June 21, 2-8pm, St Ann’s Library Hall, Cisbury Road, N15 5PU
- June 23, 11am-4pm,Tottenham Carnival, Bruce Castle Park
- July 3, 2-8pm, Hornsey Gallery, Hornsey Library, Haringey Park
- July 5 July, 6.30-8pm, Harringay & St Ann’s Area Forum
- July 11, 2-8pm, Turkish Cypriot Centre, 628-630 Green Lanes, Harringay, N8 0SD
Drop-in sessions will be held every Wednesday between these dates or if these are not convenient you can make an appointment by calling 020 8442 5886.
More information is available from beh-mht.nhs.uk/stanns
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Permalink Reply by linka on
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First thoughts (on the future of the space rather than on the hospital): this is A LOT of housing for just one access road into St Ann's Road.
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- Either they're completely moving the western roadway or they've got the water tower marked in the wrong place. Possibly the former.
- One of my concerns is the planned heights, which this map doesn't show.- Encouraging to see that they seem to be keeping the late Victorian replacement St John's Lodge building and its original lawn. Let's hope they don't completely eliminate the 19th century landscape there (- they probably will).
- That's quite a narrow green corridor in comparison to what is now a broad and quiet wildlife enclave that links with surrounding green spaces at Chestnuts and on the railway.
- some community facilities should really be thought about with the addition of a whole quarter like this. What about sports? community space? What about the pressure on the neighbouring school, Chestnuts?? Just having a bullet point speculating about 'possible convenience stores' doesn't really inspire confidence that this has been thought through as a sustainable development...
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Further points:
I wonder whether where it says 'square' it actually means 'parking'.
There also seems to be some demolition of the other Victorian buildings along the St Ann's road wall.
Moving the roads in the projected plan would entail taking out more of the mature trees.
These blocks are shown to cover the site of the old Fever Hospital blocks. Can anyone tell whether these mirror the plans, or whether it looks like they plan to bulldoze the lot? If so, that would be a massive shame, as those are some really nice-looking buildings, from the outside.
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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...and this is the only London borough without its own hosptal, and long difficult journeys on public transport to those we have to use.
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Permalink Reply by oli haill on
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They're keeping all the current hosp facilities and building new housing. The current spaced out layout, while it is a pleasant thing so behold, is a bit of a waste in a big city where more housing is needed. So I think it's a good thing.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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Big cities also need areas that are not accessible to everyone. Reservoirs for wildlife, as well as for good quality air.
This development will no doubt see the loss of many mature trees, which have provided a 'cooler' for the area for perhaps a hundred years. And have always given the area some peace.
If everything were to be tarmac'd over, the temperatures in the area in 'warm' summers would certainly be higher.
Surely some bargaining needs to be done, to reduce the overall amount of new properties.
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Permalink Reply by 21dvg5h2jlvuc on
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I'm not a fan of the idea of a two thirds of the land being used for housing.
There are far more profitable(recurring)/special projects that can capitalise on the land.
But I feel it will be hard to steer the use of the land from being flattened and used for houses, as that provides a massive one time pay cheque and good “green” social housing headlines.
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Permalink Reply by byl999 on
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Can you share a link of the actual submitted planning application ~ where we can comment ? Thanks!
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Does anyone have a link to the council planning application page please????
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I don't think a planning application has been submitted at this stage. We're still at the consultation stage. I think the only link is the one to the NHS site, given in my original post.
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Permalink Reply by Christopher Fowler on
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This is a massive over-development, with two thirds of the current space (a lot of which is green with mature trees) being given over to housing. The loss of a "green lungs" area is worrying. In terms of extra strain on infrastructure, note that there is only one entrance/exit for the housing on the site, into St Anns Road. This is going to cause strain on that junction, and traffic being backed up on St Anns Road and Blackboy Lane. It's not clear from the plans whether access to the health-care facilities will be through the same entrance, or only via the other one on Hermitage Road. Either way, it puts further strain on the local roads. There is no indication thus far of how many "homes" this is for, nor any estimate of the additional population there. This is an area whose services, including libraries, schools etc, are already strained. Will the developers be forced to put any money into improvement in services? Has any thought been given to improving bus service - currently the 341 and 67 (the latter an infrequent and unreliable service) - in an attempt to limit motor car use.
My initial thoughts are that if the site were split 50/50 between housing in the west, and health care/green space in the east, it might be a more balanced and sustainable development.
The only reason this is happening is because the health services are under-funded by central government, so assets (in this case, land) have to be sold off to private developers. It would be much better if the space were re-developed as a mix of health care, and community facilities - green space, retaining mature trees, in a public park; and meeting areas, community cafes, play areas etc. That way the whole community would benefit, not just the private developers, who are going to make a killing at current (and likely future) house prices.
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The entrance on Hermitage Road is likely to cause huge problems. During rush hour that part of the road is already jammed up, and at school pick-up and drop-off times there is double parking/parking on the curb (there is no other access for St Mary's school). This makes the walkway impassable but no amount of effort on the part of the school has managed to change parents' behaviour. I cannot imagine how it will be when that entrance is opened up for traffic into St Ann's. It would be a total nightmare.
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