Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Mugging in Seymour Road, Harringay Passage
We just found out from our neighbour, that his friend was mugged last Saturday, around 11pm, while walking past Harringay Passage. He was dragged into the Passage and had his phone, wallet and other valuables stolen. The police acted quickly and searched for the attackers but they were too late. Whas it just an isolated incident? It would be interesting to know what are the crime statistics for this area.
I've lived on the Ladder for over 4 years and felt quite safe here, even when I had to walk alone from the bus stop late at night. But now I am rather scared. I know taking a cab is the safest option after a night out but it's expensive. What we need is more police presence and better street lighting to prevent crime in the first place.
I've lived on the Ladder for over 4 years and felt quite safe here, even when I had to walk alone from the bus stop late at night. But now I am rather scared. I know taking a cab is the safest option after a night out but it's expensive. What we need is more police presence and better street lighting to prevent crime in the first place.
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Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on
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So the girls who instigated this violent offence aren't guilty and bare no responsibility for their actions?
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Permalink Reply by Anette on
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good point. It's going back to the security issue though - had there been a security man there, then these girls would have been caught. And hopefullt dealt with.
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If there was no Mcdonalds there it wouldn't have happened?
Sure there should be security there as it seems to be a place where yobs hang out, but the blame doesn't lie soley with Mcdonalds, as much as I hate them.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Straw man.
Yes and no. Legally probably not if they were under 15.
Just saying that it is pointless pursuing them when McDonalds themselves have been so negligent. Had they had a security man there these girls would not have dared do what they did. McDonalds are therefore... responsible, IMHO.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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Your point about inexperienced staff unable to deal with incidents like this is a good one but I'm inclined to disagree that the presence of a security guard would have meant that 'these girls would not have dared do what they did'. 15 years of working with teenagers has taught me that some children will not care if Sir Ian Blair himself stood there and also that girls are much worse than boys both when it comes to defying authority and picking on people who they deem weaker or different from them (some of the worst fights I've broken up have been between girls).
Yes, they are responsibile for their actions and should be made to face up to the consequences, (although not necessarily through the courts if they are young).
There are also questions as to whether McDo have realised that, with the expansion and type of shops that have come to the Arena, they may have to deal with more incidents of this type and whether they are training /employing staff accordingly.
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Sir Ian Blair does not have the meanacing air of a violent temperament about him. I was thinking of a night club bouncer who needed extra money for his testosterone treatment. All the same, I do feel a bit naive now.
Oh yes, McDonald's know very well that their restaurants are home to this kind of thing the world over. You think the 29 bus is famous on youtube, try McDonalds.
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What about other adults in there? What about their parents? If they cannot be legally responsible, then it must be past onto their parents?
I do not accept that McDonald’s are solely responsible and unfortunately that is why there is so many anti-social problems in society, because individuals don't accept responsibility anymore, they just want to point the finger at companies, schools, establishments etc.
We are all responsible and should take responsibility for ourselves, our children, our families, and our communities.
I am sure under law even minors under fifteen can be made legally responsible. I don not abide by this US style blame culture.
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I agree, but facts are:
no-one got involved for fear of either getting attacked themselves, or worse, being accused of attacking these horrible girls, and face prosecution.
If McDonalds employed a bouncer if you like, then he would hopefully have interfered, and possibly held the girls until the police got there. Then the girls, and their parents would have had to deal with possible assault charges. And the girls could spend their free time picking up litter on Green Lanes for the next 6 months... ah, dream on!
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An violent incident happened when I was working in the Stoke on Trent city centre Mcdonalds twenty two years ago.
It was late on a Saturday night and a man came in and started beating the living daylights out of another bloke, I asked someone to call the police whilst I locked the front door. The police were there in a jiffy and the manager opened the door whilst the men was being cuffed up and arrested.
Oh how things have changed!
Are we also expecting security guards on all busses and tubes?
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Excuse me? I am responsible for the violent behaviour of others in a pub I am drinking in? Why is a pub any different from McDonalds? McDonalds know they have issues in this area the same as publicans do. Let's leave the adult patrons in the restaurant out of this. In public, yes we should intervene but not inside a private establishment that knows it has security issues but won't deal with them because it does not cost them any money and a security guard will.
I think you missunderstand where I am coming from. I am trying as best I can to leave the girls out of it and concentrate on the fact that violence happened in a McDonalds restaurant. McDonalds don't care, they should. I sleep better at night judging a corporation like McDonalds than I do teenage girls.
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"I am responsible for the violent behaviour of others in a pub I am drinking in?" - Why are you? Surely if the offenders would be made accountable if the police were called.
I agree Mcdonalds should care that a violent incident occurred on their premises, but I believe that the finger of responsibility should be shared out and not solely on the company, it’s a very easy to pint the finger at them and an incredibly short term solution to a problem that people and society are neglecting, responsibility for their own actions.
I can understand that Mcdonalds need to address this issue but I for one do not want security guards in every establishment on Green Lanes, mode of public transport, public park or anywhere else for that matter. The wider solution is to address the anti social behaviour which I accept is a far bigger challenge to us all
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Sorry, rhetorical question. I have specifically and repeatedly targeted McDonalds in my diatribe because their business model causes this to happen. I don't want to see bouncers/policemen where there is really very little chance of a violent incident, e.g. the passage - yes much more likely for something to happen in McDonalds.
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