Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Haringey "the most divided borough" in the "most unequal city in the western world"
London has become the most unequal city in the western world, according to Professor Danny Dorling of the University of Sheffield.
His new book Injustice: Why Social Inequality Persists, shows that the richest tenth of Londoners had an average wealth of £933,563, a figure 273 times greater than the lowest 10 per cent, with an average wealth of £3,420. The gap is bigger than comparable cities such as New York or Tokyo.
And zooming in on Haringey, the data shows our borough as the most divided borough in London. Of its 19 wards, four are in the richest 10% and five are in the poorest 10%.
London's Poverty Profile has been created by one of London's largest charitable trusts, the City Parochial Foundation, and the independent think tank, New Policy Institute. It uses the latest official data to reveal patterns of poverty across the capital. It looks at how London compares to other English regions and cities, and the differences between London boroughs.
See more about how Haringey fares here.
His new book Injustice: Why Social Inequality Persists, shows that the richest tenth of Londoners had an average wealth of £933,563, a figure 273 times greater than the lowest 10 per cent, with an average wealth of £3,420. The gap is bigger than comparable cities such as New York or Tokyo.
And zooming in on Haringey, the data shows our borough as the most divided borough in London. Of its 19 wards, four are in the richest 10% and five are in the poorest 10%.
London's Poverty Profile has been created by one of London's largest charitable trusts, the City Parochial Foundation, and the independent think tank, New Policy Institute. It uses the latest official data to reveal patterns of poverty across the capital. It looks at how London compares to other English regions and cities, and the differences between London boroughs.
See more about how Haringey fares here.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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So here we have the City Parochial Foundation - a respected independent trust - offering us some detailed accurate data. How should we respond?
Plainly bywelcoming and reading these data; discussing our own local situation; and working out policies which will benefit the whole communitydismissing this completely, relying instead on anecdotes from a friend. And using these to stereotype the whole of "that community" (i.e. Turks and perhaps Kurds) for whom "the U.K. is seen as such a soft touch" with "most . . . fraudently claiming as many benefits as they can while working for cash-in-hand jobs."
And while we're sneering at misleading independent charities and "official statistics on unemployment, housing benefit, etc" we might as well make the same sweeping slur on a "large percentage of Haringey's population". Because Mr Mitchum knows the real truth. These people are only "seemingly poor". But hey, folks, you know what? They are "actually doing quite nicely".
So cuts? No problem at all. One simply writes to one's trustees.
(Labour councillor Tottenham Hale ward)
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Permalink Reply by E. F. Salzman on
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Dear Will Hoyle,
To pick up on vast generalisations about the "seeming poor" and slurs on such wide swathes of people is hardly a rant.
In my world, people from all walks of life and including those with degrees are struggling on low wages, trying to make ends meet. I wonder how much you know abou this.
Society shows what it most values in the incomes considered perfectly respectable in the world of business and banking, in contrast to, for example, the lives of writers and musicians, who piece together an income from teaching all ages and levels, including at graduate level which is routinely on the basis of part-time hourly fixed term contracts and lowly wages. Hardly scroungers but one wonders where is your voice on behalf of so many who work hard with so little reward, apart from the tedious old attacks on society's scroungers. If only your passion and intentions were less AGAINST and directed more to a fair deal for all!
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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"A friend who says most of the................" What about the ones she doesn't deal with?
I think we've heard that sort of chant over and over again about newly arrived communities. (the Pakis are.....the Jews are...... the Irish are........insert your choice of ethnicity)
Perhaps if this country allowed asylum seekers people to work and contribute to the societies they live in we wouldn't be having this kind of debate.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Perhaps if we got rid of the scroungers (who undoubtedly exist ) there would be more money for the teachers, writers and musicians ?
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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You may all be interested to re-read this post I made quite a while back called Breaking out of the Poverty Trap. There you will find details of two campaigns to look at the benefits system in a very different way. There is a lot of valuable information on the Community Links site too about work and poverty
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Our social welfare system can never be perfect. It can either err economically on the side of the beneficiaries or the people contributing income tax. I personally would rather be contributing a bit more than is required to keep a family just above the poverty line, than a bit less.
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Ditto if we got rid of bonus-rich bankers and the many other overpaid people, there'd be more money for those who are of equal value to society. Or more from where I sit.
And I don't just mean those from my world, which I mention as what I know about. Somehow I am less exercised about the few struggling to get by (which I'd venture a guess is the motive mostly behind this heinous "scrougner" crime) than I am by obscenely overpaid people who seem to contribute so little.
I can't imagine how this can bother you LESS, but peoples' values do differ.
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Get rid of bonus-rich bankers and other overpaid people and we lose their taxes. How does that help ?
In my value system I prefer people who lead honest lives: who work when they can, pay their way if they can, if necessary draw the benefits they are entitled to, rather than cheats who steal from others worse off than they are and jeopardise the system upon which the genuine claimants depend.
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going out of their way to ensure benefits do not find their way into the wrong hands.
Oh yes, that's really cheap to do. Doesn't cost much at all. Doesn't mean a massive invasion of privacy. Nope, not at all. Did you support ID cards? Just asking because I suspect that spying on citizens to these ends was a prime motivator.
Oh and banker bashing is getting as boring as german bashing
Maybe but they can take it.
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Nearly as boring as scrounger bashing.
Get rid of bankers? No. Introduce fairer taxes and wages.
As I said, many people work for peanuts because they are exploited. And I don't just mean the unskilled. I know higher education is of little concern as it seems to be high on list of targets for this government.
Personally, I agree with decisions taken on wages in public sector but when one compares to private sector and what is earned there....But I guess that's okay. That's the whole point of the private sector. Manon rules.
It's funny when I consider the America bashing I've had/observed living here for for so many years. That never got very tired I must tell you! Perhaps the British are filthy rich with better taste so taht's okay then. We go back to redistribution of wealth and how grossly obscene that is, and the obvious example is to mention those who earn most and I don't buy the notion such incomes are justified in lihgt of this sorry.
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@EFS, I would prefer to tax the rich rather than the "high earners". Do you see the distinction?
@Will, I did not know you had experience of working on a trading desk or such fabulous insight into banking pay. I'm being facetious, your estimate is miles off.
So to waste so much emotional energy on so few seems a little counter productive.
I agree, now ignore the scroungers for they are the few. -
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Permalink Reply by JeremyS on
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This could be an interesting discussion, but I'd like to see us relating more to the published data, putting as much focus as possible on Haringey and looking to solutions rather than simply apportioning blame.
I'm no expert on this type of thing. Has anyone read the book? The title is "Injustice: Why Social Inequality Persists". I imagine that there must be some sort of answers in there? Or does anyone have any ideas about what might be done in Haringey?
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