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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

I'm still shaking my head at this. The Council has spent so much on something noone wants. I don't know why the English don't stand up to this sort of thing. It would never happen in Turkey or Greece. This guy sums it up perfectly.

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Livi, I entirely agree that not a pound should be wasted.

But I don't believe that it's anyone's desire for fiscal prudence that informs their shining a light on this particular item to such an unprecedented level.

Hardly the first time Haringey has spent too much on something.

I'd love to hear from someone comparing hard numbers spent on other initiatives.

I think complaining about the cost is a convenient rationalisation for people who would always be opposed to this change for other reasons.

Of course we're all racists John. Get that off your chest so you can engage with the argument properly.

Go on then Cem, tell us more about the rest of Haringey's Budget :) Do you think it's well spent? Any feedback about things that could be done better?

Also please let us know why you believe you're racist. Doesn't look like anyone called you that.

Hi Shar. You're the one who seems interested in Haringey's budget. I'm sure you could look into that yourself. But it's safe to say that the vast majority of it goes on the salaries and relatively fixed costs associated with the delivery of statutory services. I doubt there is much left over that could be deemed discretionary and as such £180k plus would be a not insignificant proportion of that element.

As for your query about racism I suggest you read John Lyne's post again and satisfy yourself whether any other conclusion can reasonably be drawn from it other than it being an accusation of racism.

My post today was not an accusation of racism, and not aimed at you specifically. Earlier in this thread, I did call out that you had posted a link to a racist youtuber, and that one of your posts was a clear example of racial prejudice.

Haringey Council's total gross expenditure is in the region of £1.17bn a year. That's over 6,400 times 182,000. In other words, the unimaginable wastage you can't get over makes up 0.016% of total expenditure.

Overall, Haringey Council manages assets and cash flows of over £5 billion a year.

Your annoyance at wastage is shared by a lot of people, including myself, but I would argue that in the scheme of things there might be much bigger leakages that might actually be worth getting this exercised about.

If you still think this is THE most egregious action ever taken by Haringey Council, please do carry on.

I was just trying to introduce some sense of proportion using actual numbers.

I'm afraid I don't know much about local authorities in Turkey or Greece so can't compare. Why did you mention those two countries by the way?

"You wrote:
"I'd love to hear from someone comparing hard numbers spent on other initiatives."

If you're serious it's not too hard to search online for alleged wastage by your local council. The Ham and High newspaper is a useful source. As is this site.  Also Twitter and What Do They Know website.

Or perhaps you are genuinely interested in the whole area of the naming and renaming of public spaces; of memorising and memorials. Currently this seems to be a burgeoning field. In which I claim no expertise, so I'd appreciate your recommendations for books and articles you've been reading on the topic.

Alan

If you really believe this is the only issue at Haringey Council worth discussing, please carry on. I've set out its scale in the scheme of things above for reference.

I daresay none of the people so upset about the cost of this renaming have any reasons to offer about why this particular expenditure has caught their attention. It's everyone's right to talk about what they care about of course, so I'm not going to demand any.

The cost is only one aspect of this to which many people object. My main issues are the false premise that the name needed to change, erasure of heritage and the undemocratic nature of the whole palava.

But yes the fact that the council saw fit to spend even a relatively small amount of its overall budget on this at this time provides insight into the way it must manage budgets and priorities more broadly. There are indeed bigger scandals mamaged, or rather mismanaged, by the council (eg. Ally Pally, Charles Adje, the millions wasted on the council HQ). You could say the renaming of Black Boy Lane is the 'council in a microcosm' or the final straw that broke the camel's back.

Regardless of whether or not I agree with you, that sounds like a reasonable way of assessing the issue, Gordon.

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