Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
St Ann's LTN start date - 22 August
I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...
We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.
This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road. There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass.
Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic.
The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs! Drivers beware!
I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.
Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic
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LTN Doc.pdf, 1.1 MB
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Permalink Reply by Don on
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One of many dreadful things Johnson has done: he made a deal, as Mayor, with Osborne to scrap all government funding for TfL, so when fares collapsed in the pandemic TfL almost went bust — hence the Treasury’s ability to turn the screw now as a condition of providing money to keep it going. London is one of the very, very few European capitals with no state funding for public transport; as you say, we have to get rid of this appalling government, which hates the notion of “public service”.
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Peter (re your post about the Tory attitude to transport, etc, above; the system won’t let me post this in the right place) —
I don’t disagree with a lot of your overall analysis. My objections are that there’s no evidence in Haringey of a shared burden — so far, the onus is entirely on exhortations from the council to walk or cycle and an ill-thought-out scheme to force people out of their cars with insufficient viable alternatives, but no moves by the council itself to do anything major to decarbonise. All they’ve done so far is buy four cargo bikes to use in their parks.
There’s also no public acknowlegement by the council of their overall plans, and a failure to front up with the residents of GL, West Green, St Ann’s roads et al and tell them they’re being thrown under a bus “for the greater good” and will just have to live with it for the sake of all the LTN enclave residents. It’s like DfT road building, where a major trunk road has stealthy incremental “improvements” — a bridge here, an underpass there, a bypass elsewhere — until one day the residents wake up to find the whole route has become a four-lane motorway; in this case, it’ll be GL. If the council is going to effectively close the borough to traffic with LTNs right across it, the least they should do is be honest with all those who’ll suffer as a result.
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Okay, so you are frustrated because the system is new to you. You should only really get lost at first and not after you get to know the routes in, out & around of your own 'cell' of the LTN.
It's a short walk from St Anns to WGR unless you were going futher afield in which case you'll be directed onto a route that doesn't cut through other cell's of the LTN and the drive should only be marginally longer. If you aren't able to walk and do need your vehicle the council has exemptions you can apply for.
And what you say is correct. LTNs are meant to encourage drivers to ditch their cars for walkable or rideable journeys. It is also meant to discourage non-local drivers from using our neighbourhood streets to cut through.
Pedestrians now have priority when crossing at intersections since the changes in the Highway code earlier this year and I'm sure speeds within the LTN are limited to 20MPH. The Highway code also requires that you be aware of what is going on around you when driving and so adapt your speed to this. It means you should be able to easily stop for a pedestrian. I think this is also an aim of the LTNs = to make walkers and cyclists comfortable so that no one type of user has real priority over use of the road space and public realm.
You are frustrated? Why not get active politically, locally ,to help find solutions in Haringey and nationally to change the public transport situation in the UK so that we get better public transport provision. Or maybe get an electric bike as this is almost like a scooter, no?
You may need to learn to live with it and find ways to calm your frustration. I often feel like shooting drivers that speed, have noisy motors and/or dirty mufflers on the roads I live and walk on. Obviously I don't as It would get me into trouble. I feel the LTNs are giving back some balance to people like me. Hopefully we'll also see more children playing in their own streets and making people get together more and injecting 'community' into our neighbourhoods.
I have a licence and I drive fairly frequently, although I do not own a car.
I also lurve my shopping trolley.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Ok, got it:
Exemption process
Meeting the needs of residents with access and disability needs was an important part of the St Ann's LTN design process. Following feedback, Cabinet approved exemptions for blue badge holders living within the LTN or on its immediate boundary, special education needs and disabilities transport, and essential council transport services catering for people with a disability.
Since then the council has developed a full exemptions process which will be in place when the LTN goes live.
The council will be in contact again with full details of the exemptions process which will sit out the exact criteria under which an exemption can be applied for.
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I wonder why the existing Chestnuts school street isn’t showing.
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Permalink Reply by Geoff Amabilino on
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Here is the exemption policy link.
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Bring it on. Bring on the reduced pollution, the idea that car is no longer king, the awful rat running and traffic jams on my residential street (with the cacophony of car horns every weekday at 8.50 am), bring on healthy streets with less traffic, healthier safer children. Who cares if it inconveniences drivers? You should be begging forgiveness for the havoc you have wreaked on the planet.
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I also do not like the rat running traffic, however LTNs can simply shift pollution generation to the main roads where schools may be sited (eg. Chestnuts, West Green Primary, Park View Academy) - and people live on main roads too. This link for Islington explains it a bit.
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Just to flag, I’m a parent at Chestnuts and the school are very supportive of the scheme. Two children were hit by cars on/by Black Boy Lane recently and it’s clear the speeding traffic along Avenue, Woodlands and Black Boy Lane is having a very negative impact on children’s journeys to the schools and nurseries on these roads. I heard a pupil from Park View speak to full council in December on the massive improvement this scheme would have on the ability of him and his peers to get to school each day - let’s give the scheme a chance
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Permalink Reply by Dan77 on
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I'm currently watching an episode of 24 hours in A and E, featuring a boy hit by a car outside his school. Anything that takes cars away from schools and residential streets can only be good. Full support
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Permalink Reply by greenfingers on
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Unfortunately the road closures are impossible to predict, and the only escape route is Etherley Road, which already had those blocks in the road right next to the school. Wait until the schools go back, it's going to be chaos.
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Permalink Reply by Mattie on
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Absolutely! Well said Kate! The situation in Haringey is totally insane and completely untenable. We just have to do something about the dreadful pollution levels, endless congestion and dangerous driving so prevalent on our streets! The car is not king! It is all about a fundamental change in mindset and creation of better and fairer space management. Our streets should be safe for children, the elderly and less abled people in our community. Studies show that people who are able to, end up choosing to drive less and prefer to walk and cycle while less abled people have better conditions making life more pleasant and less stressful for us all. We will all be wondering why we didn’t do this many years ago!
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