Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
St Ann's LTN start date - 22 August
I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...
We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.
This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road. There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass.
Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic.
The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs! Drivers beware!
I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.
Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic
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LTN Doc.pdf, 1.1 MB
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Permalink Reply by andy h on
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Day two, and the first BOXED IN blessing. Woken up by an Argos van doing a three point at the friendly filter 5am. Churrrrrch churrrrch churrrch !!! My word I’m lucky - I’d have missed my alarm at 6 I’m sure.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Hopefully, after an initial bout of chaos, everything will settle down.
I’m very much a supporter of stopping the rat-run traffic, but with my current level of understanding, I’m not convinced that we need to stop residents driving around their own patch. Given that Haringey have already installed the tech to enable it, It’s not clear to me why they’re not even trialling resident-permeable barriers. Perhaps someone can explain?
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Your right Hugh ,
I hate rat runners as well !! Just can’t understand why they have to jog through my box to get to the park.
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Permalink Reply by JulieB on
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I thought it was to discourage unnecessary short car journeys. I agree with you though it will actually mean a lot of extra mileage and pollution if you live on the ‘wrong’ side of a filter.
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Exactly. You’ve hit the nail on the head. I think we need to understand that low traffic neighbourhoods are behaviour change programmes which are not only directed at rat-run traffic, but are also directed at local residents.
The council keep saying at the zoom meetings on the Ladder LTN that the low traffic zone is designed primarily to stop rat-run traffic. However, it is evident that they are also designed to change local residents' behaviour to reduce local car usage by local residents.
In any change program there are always trade-offs. The trade-off here, as far as I can see, is convenience. The level of the convenience/inconvenience will vary from person to person. Luckily for me it’s not a particularly big issue, but for some the change will be a real inconvenience. Either way, I still need convincing that the trade-off is a good one. In other words will the payback derived from stopping local residents driving through their own low traffic zone give a sufficient return in terms of air quality and road safety to warrant the inconvenience that will be the price paid.
Car use reduction is certainly good, but I don't necessarily agree that all car use reduction at all times is desireable.
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Obviously each has their own view on this.
Personally I think that discouraging residents from short car journeys should be very much part of the scheme. Putting aside the environmental impact of car journeys, it also smacks of hypocrisy that it's fine for one to drive down the residential streets but not another. If people want things to improve they have to make their own sacrifices too.
Generally, I'd say that if the journey is short enough that the time the LTN costs is material then you've got to think whether you should be driving it.
I'm not saying they're perfect, by all accounts there are issues with the Bounds Green one forcing people out onto the North Circular for instance, but I struggle to think of what the issues would be on the ladder with not being able to drive through the barriers.
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Sarah — You said you’d changed your own behaviour by moving closer to work, getting a bike and now living only three tube stops from your office. If everyone was able/could afford to move so as to live within easy distance of their work, I’m sure life would be a great deal more pleasant all round. Alas, London’s not like that: most people (especially in poorer areas such as much of Haringey) have long commutes — even with some able to work from home at present — so, short of a social revolution that builds vastly more affordable housing in central London, it has to be made possible for people to travel. For all the reasons I’ve already put in posts here, I believe the LTN will make life far harder for many people. Telling them to “change your behaviour” may have worked for you, but it’s not the answer for many others whose “behaviour” is dictated by externals such as housing, employers, jobs, availability of public transport and financial constraints on where they can afford to live.
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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Who drives in to work in central London?
Can you share your secret parking place info?
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Probably works at a school.
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Pamish — According to popular views on the Ladder, all their problems are caused by the “through traffic” of commuters from Hertfordshire driving in and out of central London, so obviously they must all have parking spaces somewhere. Nobody on the Ladder would ever dream of driving their own car down “somebody else’s” road — that would make them a “rat-runner”, which of course they certainly aren’t.
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Permalink Reply by Geoff Amabilino on
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There was an explanation of this in one of the council Q&A documents, but I can't find it now. From memory, it is because allowing CPZ residents access would run counter to the GLA's safer streets policy and would have made funding unavailable.
Incidentally, Google maps has been updated - I asked it for directions from my house to St Anns Hospital, and it took me via Green Lanes. It also pointed out that walking would be only 1 minute slower!
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