Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Eruv arch at Harringay station
The United Synagogue have submitted a planning application to facilitate the creation of an Eruv which will take in Muswell Hill, Crouch End and Stroud Green.
Planning application HGY/2022/1906 -www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/PKID408652
My understanding of what an Eruv is that it is an area within which Jewish religious law can be ignored in order to facilitate movement etc. on the Sabbath.
The Eruv is marked out by erecting poles and connecting these with thin nylon string. The planning application includes a map which shows the location of the poles.
At Harringay station it is proposed that instead of poles and nylon string there should be an eight foot high arch erected at the start of the footbridge on the Quernmore Road side. See the attached photo from the planning application which shows the proposed arch. Anyone wanting to use the bridge from the west side will have to pass under this arch.
The only publicity, so far, has been a planning application attached to a lamp post in Quernmore Road, as far as I know there has been no other attempt from the applicants to publicise their proposals.
Any comments on the application have to be sent to Haringey’s Planning Services by 1 September.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I’ve had a look at the application and the main problems seem to be where the proposal abuts railway land and using lampposts to carry the Eruv line.
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Permalink Reply by Jim Walsh on
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as a boy at church i wondered why the so called preist blessed the water in the bowl by the door on each occasion and why they couldn't get the pope to stand on the nearest beach and bless all the water systems of the world with one single mumbo jumbo ceremony. it wouldn't even take longer than a few seconds. wouldn't that save folk a lot of bother ? but then i was just an ignorant kid.
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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Congratulations, Jim, on your graduation as a big ignorant kid. Try to get over yourself and see that your bellyaching has SFA to do with the Orthodox Jewish worldview and their little hangups. Think of their eruv as a series of doorways to a world you don't wish to know anything about. btw No 'so-called priest', or so-spelled 'preist' spends his time blessing 'the water in the bowl by the door on each occasion'.
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ha ha ha old age seemed to have touched a nerve. good. i object to the application the same as i object to those very noisy and arrogant born agains with a big amp and microphone outside tescos. personally i enjoy turning the amp off as i walk by that really enfuriates them.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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I don't believe the proposed arches will be equipped for sound. Where did you get that idea ?
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Permalink Reply by Shar on
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I find it hard to be exercised by a bit of street furniture but I do wonder whether it could be a tad higher and whether all that nylon wire (presumably barely visible) poses a risk to birds.
Andy's M25 suggestion made me laugh.
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A hand rail beside the step slope might prove a useful addition. Perhaps as planning gain?
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In the overall scheme of things, and given the many other ugly and far more intrusive bits of street furniture that obstruct pavements and add visual clutter to streets across the borough, aren’t a few poles and some fishing line (even a really not very obtrusive arch that might equally have been installed by Network Rail as some kind of visual “entrance”) very little to get het up about?
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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The project goes back some twelve or thirteen years.
Muswell Hill Rabbi David Mason blogged about it.
https://rabbimason.blogspot.com/2009/05/diary-entry_26.html
It puzzles me sometimes when people don't choose the obvious. Ask a rabbi. It is after all part of their role - having studied for many years - to teach and answer questions about faith and practice.
I've met David Mason only once and very briefly. But from what others tell me he's helpful and approachable.
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At Location 23 they imagine they are hoping to erect a 5.5 metre steel pole at the bottom of my garden, linked to 3 other steel poles across Lancaster Road and Stapleton Hall Road.
They also say that this will be subject to a weekly inspection boy an as yet undetermined Hassidic policeman/iofficial of some description.
There are already 6 -7 steel poles with streetlighhts/streetsigns in this street that they could use if Haringey Council decide to cave in tot he desires of a small ultra conservative Hassidic sect.
Public space should be secular and for everyone, no small minority should impose it's views on others - in this case simply because they find their own belief systems inconvenient.
Personally I won't accept this new overbearing structure that will be visible for every part of my home and garden going forwards.
Also the idea of an inspector up a 6 M ladder peering into my home/garden 52 times a year - a home where I have young children - is intolerable.
It is not anti-Semitic to oppose this Eruv as it means nothing to the vast majority of Jewish people. The repressive problems the Hassidic community has are their own interpretations of scri[ture. I would argue they need to examine the scriptures again and reform their belief system to bring it up top date with 21st Century realities, not impose their quasi-legal Rabbinical work-arounds on everybody else.
Haringey Council should represent everyone who lives here, not the views of ultra conservative religious sects, most of whom don't live anywhere near Stroud Green.
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Somebody help me out here please. With worsening eyesight I'm having trouble comfortably reading through the application and the maps online. So maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick - or maybe poles - where this particular application relates just to a "a small ultra conservative Hassidic sect".
As sometimes - often? - happens the planning stuff online is in any case case less than simple to read and apply.
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The proposed siting on Oakfield Road is a worry. Railtrack have gone to some lengths to prevent people getting on to the wall with a huge drop below. Putting a metal pole right next to it will undermine the safety feature.
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