Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Would you join a Harringay energy co-operative?
They are starting up around the UK and are popular in the US and Europe.
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Permalink Reply by Chris Setz on
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Yes.
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Permalink Reply by The Black Lark on
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Yes.
How many people needed to make it feasible?
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Permalink Reply by Adam on
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I will explore more about how this could work in Harringay and get back to you.
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Permalink Reply by Rachel Fisher on
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Adam, let's talk about this, I've been doing a lot of work with DECC, CLG and DEFRA recently - discussing Local Carbon Frameworks and also the Low Carbon Communities Challenge. In particular Haringey has been selected as one of the 9 national pilots for the Local Carbon Frameworks. Details of what this means in practice are still being sorted out - but I think there may be an opportunity for funding in there.
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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Haringey's Low Carbon Challenge is up there in Muswell Hill.
The Guardian mentions two areas, clubbing together to purchase renewable technologies & negotiating prices down from the energy companies.
Solar panels don't pay back in this country unless you get a nice fat installation subsidy and or are able to generate enough to sell back to the grid at a reasonable rate of pence per kWh. Govt keeps making noises about making energy companies pay a decent rate but don't think they've done anything yet.
You won't get planning permission for a wind turbine bigger than a small one for a house but they don't work particularly well in urban areas, particularly in valleys as we live in. Vibration noise to your house is also a nuisiance.
Ground source heat pumps (see EST) are good but quite expensive and you need a fairly big ground area. Burying the heat loop vertically is obviously expensive.
There are Air-to Air heat exchangers as well.
The other option of clubbing together to buy energy in from say http://www.greenenergy.uk.com/ is probably a little more possible to organise if one can get enough people together. It would be worth ringing them up first to ask if this would be of interest to the company, detailing discount and numbers needed.
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A very generous feed in tariff of 41p per kWh has been announced by the Government and critiqued here
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The Low Carbon Communities Challenge is in Muswell Hill, yes - but the Low Carbon Framework covers the whole area. It's being run through Department fo Communities and Local Government as opposed to the Department for Energy and Climate Change (which is running the LCCC). The LCF focuses on reducing carbon borough wide - so it may be that we can tap into that.
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... Low Carbon Framework covers the whole area.
OK but throw LCF into Google and not a lot comes back. Trouble with this govt so far is they put a little money into supporting a low carbon idea and find significant demand is there, then react by subsequently lowering the subsidy or changing a programme all together.
Vestas turbine manufacturers closed their factory down on the Isle of Wight because of a confused policy coming out of govt. Shell pulled out of the London Array for the same reason.
So what I'm saying is one needs to be careful with relying too much on a govt low carbon initiative. If the money is there for a local initiative and a local group meets requirements (tricky at best of times) then get in quick before the money flies out the window. Remember that lot up there on the Hill will be a number of steps ahead and there will only be a limited amount of help for each borough.
If going for any govt funding/subsidy the paperwork of course requires a lot of work. At least that was my experience with arranging the 5kW photovoltaic system for North Harringay Primary.
Adam, Chris would be very useful for advice.
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Re Monbiot (Adam's link)
He's essentially correct. Best off putting the 8.5 billion into the Severn Barrage. But then there are people who strongly agree with that option as well. Welcome to the politics of energy. Far more interesting than local politics. :)
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Permalink Reply by Chris Ford on
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Yes. I'd love to give support to something like this.
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