Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Show your Support for for a Low Traffic Neighbourhood for the Ladder
Controlling traffic levels on the Ladder seems to have been one of the symphonies that has accompanied Harringay Online since we set up thirteen years ago.
Small advances have been made. But, what with one thing and another, there's never been the progress most people want.
Now, finally, a Living Streets group for the Ladder has been set up with the primary goal of achieving a low traffic neighbourhood for the Harringay Ladder.
The group outlines its main aims in five bullet points:
- cleaner air without the noise and pollution from through traffic
- streets safe for everyone including children and those with difficulty getting around
- preserved vehicle access for local residents, businesses, and places of worship
- a healthier high street and better use of space for local businesses and residents
- safer cycling and walking around the neighbourhood and commuting routes to/from Central London
Achieving the goals will be in part dependent on the group getting strong local support. You can help as an active member or simply by showing your support through joining as a member. You can take the first step by signing up on the Harringay Ladder Living Streets web page.
Tags for Forum Posts: hlhs, ladder ltn, low traffic neighbourhoods, traffic
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Permalink Reply by Bob Ruggles on
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Believe that many are getting the point. That reducing traffic in one road, adds traffic and issues to another
Especially as many of the properties on the ladder now accommodate more people than originally designed for
Not forgetting Green Lanes near 24 Hour Traders
Plus the growing number of flats being built in the area. Going to be one busy area in coming months
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Whilst the approach of Haringey Council to dealing with traffic is way behind some of the neighbouring boroughs, they are now beginning to look at a borough-wide approach to lowering traffic levels in our streets and improving provision for cycling and walking. They're already making a start with a couple of possible projects in St Ann's ward and in Bruce Grove.
TfL recently identified the Ladder as an area of priority for a low traffic approach. So it makes complete sense for them to look here next.
I think you'll find that, as part of a network of similar groups around the borough, the Harringay Ladder group is working towards lowering traffic levels borough-wide as well as on the Ladder. The aim is certainly not to support policies that just displace traffic from one residential road to another.
Inevitably, change of the level that's called for will require an adaption to how we live our lives behaviour - no more popping across the Crouch End in the car at the drop of hat, for example - but it needn't be a painful one.
A well conceived approach will reduce overall traffic levels in the borough whilst preserving the use of roads by those who truly need to use cars and for all of us on the occasions we need to use them. What it won't preserve is the right of rat-running commuters, which is a significant part of our traffic. And, what it will do, is to encourage us all to use public transport or walk and cycle when these are viable alternatives.
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Permalink Reply by JulieB on
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I see from the update here: https://www.haringey.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/travel/transpo... that St Ann's and Bruce Grove LTN didn't receive funding from TFL in this round of Streetspace funding. I have no idea how often bids are made.
Haringey did win over £1million in funding for the other bids in this round though.
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Permalink Reply by Peter Chalk on
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Actually, surveys show that over time traffic control measures result in change of mode, to cycling, electric bikes or scooters, bus or train or walking.
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Haringey council should survey users of shops and restaurants to determine the percentage parking outside. My guess is less than 5%.
For too long traders have misrepresented their customer base. Other high streets have benefited from abolishing parking, wider pavements and more local involvement.
Plus less pollution!
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Permalink Reply by Andrew Mawby on
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I am sure you are right.
Ages ago, I read about a study in Edinburgh (I think) where they surveyed business owners and shoppers and found that business owners over estimated by an order of magnitude how many of their customers arrived by car!
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Permalink Reply by Chris Barker on
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There have been many surveys asking people how they get to shopping areas. Consistently the numbers arriving by car are less than traders' perceptions. We did a survey in Muswell Hill last Saturday and the figures we arrived at were:
bike 6%bus 13%
car21%
walk 59%.
It's worth doing on for Green Lanes.
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Permalink Reply by Christopher Fowler on
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I am afraid that there will be no reduction of traffic and all that follows from it, in the Harringay Ladder, until those who live in the ladder roads reduce their use of and ownership of motorcars. Ending car-parking on Green Lanes would make a big difference, reduce jams in traffic, and reduce pollution.
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Car ownership on the Ladder is amongst the lowest in the borough and in London. The only parts of Haringey that do better seem to be the bits where no one lives,
Source: London Borough of Haringey, Local Implementation Plan 2019-2022
And here's how Ladder locals travel to work.
Source: London Borough of Haringey, Local Implementation Plan 2019-2022
Of course that's not to say that Ladder locals, like everyone else, couldn't do better. But it's misleading in the extreme to lay the main blame for the Ladder's traffic woes on Ladder residents. The Harringay Traffic Survey undertaken at the time of the Wightman Bridge works showed the vast majority of the traffic using the Ladder was non-local. Please check your facts before pointing the finger
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The stat is per household so not quite right to imply that areas on the map show low because less people live there. Probably more proximity to tube and rail stations, and then also wealth
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I'm sure that proximity to public transport is a key part of it, but I think these data are unlikely to be related to wealth: stats on Harringay's income per household will do for that assumption.
The stats seem fine to me. The absolute number of people travelling, and so the residential density, is irrelevant, because the stats show the percentage of residents who travel.
On car ownership, there are a large number of households per street on the Ladder compared to, for example the west of the borough. So, if anything, calculating ownership per household would deflate the relative level of ownership on the Ladder rather than inflate it.
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