Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Local Parties dismiss voters' sense of place
Those of you who've been reading the posts on the site for a while will know that I hold strong views about our sense of place in Harringay..........well in any place really. Our sense of history's part of that, our sense of community is a part and our name is part.
Back in April 2008, Nilgun Canver offered the following:
Today Justin Hinchcliffe, Chair of the Tottenham Tories joined in on Twitter with a tweet apparently ridiculing a voter's wish to have her place of residence recognised as Harringay:
What is it with our politicians. Don't they get it. Many of us simply don't wish to have our area chopped up and repackaged to suit their notions of political entities or boundaries. We have the right to choose - not you.
Are there any other representatives from the local blues and reds who'd care to share their views on this issue? And what of the local Liberals. We've heard nothing from you on this. We'd welcome hearing what you think.
Let me leave the last word to Thomas Burke, writing in 1921:
(See my posting in the history group for more on Burke)
Back in April 2008, Nilgun Canver offered the following:
We've discussed and we have agreed to call the area Harringay Green Lanes and Too much emphasis on Harringay confuses everyone with the borough Haringey and I’m afraid it refers to the Harringay ward and excludes the Gardens and other target areas.
Today Justin Hinchcliffe, Chair of the Tottenham Tories joined in on Twitter with a tweet apparently ridiculing a voter's wish to have her place of residence recognised as Harringay:
What is it with our politicians. Don't they get it. Many of us simply don't wish to have our area chopped up and repackaged to suit their notions of political entities or boundaries. We have the right to choose - not you.
Are there any other representatives from the local blues and reds who'd care to share their views on this issue? And what of the local Liberals. We've heard nothing from you on this. We'd welcome hearing what you think.
Let me leave the last word to Thomas Burke, writing in 1921:
But do you think the inhabitants of those villas will rank themselves with those of Tottenham or Hornsey? Not likely. They are of Harringay. The guide-book was right: it is a suburb with a distinct individuality of its own.
Proud of its lineage, proud of its appearance in thirteenth-century records, it declines to surrender its identity to those who claim lordship over it. Before Tottenham and Hornsey were, Harringay was so often mentioned in ancient documents as to receive the honour of being spelt in six different ways - sure proof of importance. Indeed, the name Hornsey came into currency only through a corruption of Haringhea and Haringey; and it is therefore fit that the stout fellows of Harringay should defend the style and identity of their venerable village from the encroachments of that modern upstart Hornsey.
(See my posting in the history group for more on Burke)
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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Steve, I've just noticed your little quizling. South Hornsey must have been somewhere around the triangle south of Manor House, between GL/Seven Sisters/?Blackstock Rd. I'm sure it had some connection with Brownswood Park?? It didn't extend across GL towards Woodberry Down or the reservoir, did it?
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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OAE, correct! South Hornsey was an Urban District Council from 1865 to 1900 which was absorbed into Stoke Newington UDC.. It did cover parts of Brownswood Park and the southernmost tip touched Stoke Newington Road around Princess May Road..
More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Hornsey
http://www.taey.com/n16/?p=3
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Is there some way of putting an end to this thread? If the front page shows that someone has posted an answer it's sometimes necessary to scroll through 12 pages to find it in context.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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John:click on 'replied' on the front page and it should take you straight to the comment. Your email links should take you straight to new replies, presuming you are following (see link at bottom right which also allows you to opt out of getting notifications if you click stop following)
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Permalink Reply by Justin Hinchcliffe on
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Amazed - and delighted - that it's taken an evil baby-eating Tory to bring some many people to HoL to air their views!
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Polemics aside for a moment Justin, I hope from that amazement and delight might come some awareness that this is an important issue and why it is so.
It has nothing to do with class, snobbery or exclusiveness and everything to do with a sense of place and identity. Here's an analogy I hadn't thought of before: how would we all feel if the EU said we're not called England any more, but France or England, La Manche? And why is it important that we retain our identity as English?
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It isn't, really. I'm pro-European. Bet you didn't expect that as an answer?
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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You should be in politics, you have not answered Hugh's question but one that is syntactically but not semantically like it.
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Another analogy - there's a news item this morning about clip joints in Westminster - what have those naughty politicians been up to now ?
Oh relax, it's Soho.
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Thanks Liz. Only been on HOL 2 years so still finding my way around :-)
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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WELL John, I did try and on the instigation of a moderator! I guess when there's a full-on pub brawl, it's hard to leave the room.
"Tories" "ridicule" and "voters" was always likely to be lively. I suppose, once again its a reflection of our exaggerated-adversarial system of politics, which I was getting at in my attempt to draw attention to wider issues. This is going to have to change if the world is seriously to address the issues that unite all citizens, issues that threaten the well-being of everyone on the planet.
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