Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
TfL consulting on Bus changes, route 67 to be cut short at Dalston
TfL has just started a consultation on bus changes (closing date 9th November).
There's a small change to the 341 route in the centre, but the biggest change is a proposal to terminate the 67 bus at Dalston, rather than Aldgate.
I think there are issues with this, as the 67 serves an area which is already poorly-served by public transport, around Chestnuts park, St Anne's hospital (where there is going to be new housing, hopefully through START), and St Anne's Road.
The 67 is already not particularly frequent and was a nightmare when I was taking a buggy on it a few years ago (due to too many other buggies & overcrowding), so it would seem better to increase services not cut them back!
It might be different if a new service was being proposed, but that is not the situation at the moment it seems.
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Permalink Reply by Alyson on
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Thanks for flagging this up. I get the weekly Tfl email about disruptions but failed to see the mention as it was a long way down the list instead of at the top where people might notice it (sent Oct 4th).
Even when I did read the summary there I can see no mention of 67 or 341. How do they think actual users will be aware if they don't do the obvious thing and put notices on the bus stops?? We don't all read the tfl website for fun!
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Permalink Reply by dubmill on
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I lament it to some extent. On the TfL website it says that the proposed rerouting via Farringdon Road will make the journey between Waterloo and Angel two minutes quicker. I don't see how that's possible. The eastbound traffic on Fleet Street can be heavy at times, such that the 341 is held up getting to the Fetter Lane turn-off. Once onto Fetter Lane there's usually only light traffic. If instead the bus has to continue through heavy traffic to Farringdon Road, as well as having to approach Holborn Circus the long way round, how can it make the journey quicker?
EDIT: Now I understand. Looking at the map of the proposed route change, it's cutting out not only Fetter Lane but also Holborn Circus and the lower part of Rosebery Avenue. But I'm still dubious that at peak times the journey between Waterloo and Angel by the new route would be quicker.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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The results of this consultation have now been published
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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To be fair, the 67 does currently duplicate other services from St Ann's Road, Stamford Hill and along Kingsland Road, south of Dalston. Some cynics have commented that the curtailment to Dalston is only really being implemented in order to justify the Dalston bus station.
But a curtailment will provide empty seats northbound from Dalston in future and should make the route more reliable over the remaining section. I would suggest that perhaps a more local style route, from Stoke Newington/Stamford Hill to Wood Green at a slightly higher frequency, would be the ideal situation.
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Permalink Reply by AndrewAW1 on
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Many people, myself included, won't bother getting the bus though if it involves changes. It's hard to predict how much extra time the change will add and how busy the next bus will be.
I get buses so I can just get on and get off when I get there. If I'm going to mess about with changes I may as well get the tube which is likely to be faster. Last night for instance I got the 67 home from Shoreditch, I'm not going to bother getting a bus half way home and hang around at 11pm in Dalston waiting for the second half.
The consultation responses were pretty much all negative and they've still gone ahead with the change, they'd clearly already decided what they were doing and the consultation was just a box ticking exercise.
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The consultation responses were pretty much all negative and they've still gone ahead with the change, they'd clearly already decided what they were doing and the consultation was just a box ticking exercise.
I presume TfL obviously feel that the Kingsland Road corridor is overbussed. There ARE too many buses in London, mostly running half empty. Usage has dropped quite rapidly and not everyone is going to get a direct route to everywhere. As a supporter of public transport, I think that's sad - But it's a fact of life.
You wouldn't have to hang around at Dalston, you could also hang around at Stamford Hill, but that's not really what you mean. You mean you want a direct service home. Don't we all? That's the reason why I think a local service with a higher frequency that connects up with the trunk route services, in this case 149, 243, 349 (that provide a 3 minute service - on paper at least) at some point and the reason I chose Stamford Hill, would be a better option.
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but that's not really what you mean. You mean you want a direct service home
That's kind of the issue. The broader point was that there are generally already indirect services home that are probably quicker. There are options with tubes and trains but they're inconvenient because you have to change. If the bus is also inconvenient because you have to change then it becomes much less attractive.
Services running every few minutes would mitigate that but this isn't going to be the case.
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