Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Hawker Union NOT Happy with Haringey
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Permalink Reply by Gordon T on
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12,000 visitors over 12 weeks (open Fri/Sat/Sun) - average of 300-400 visitors per day. The far end of Coburg Road, off Mayes Road, round the back of Shopping City, isn't the most walk-up-friendly location in Wood Green. Perhaps insufficient footfall is the terminal problem for his business model, more than any licensing problems he may be having. He has a problem with licensing in general:
"Licensing headaches are familiar to Downey who said: “We have issues everywhere. Licensing is a complete lottery, it’s anti-business, it’s anti-jobs, it’s anti-nighttime economy, it’s anti-alcohol and so we always have a hassle."
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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I'd like to see the other side of this story ( the Council's ).
From the tone of Downey's tweets, it sounds as if he tries to cut corners in regard to the regulations. This may not be so, but he reads like one of those to whom everything is someone else's fault.
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The council has nothing to gain by giving their side, since he's already rubbished (justifiably or not) their licensing process, and if they respond he'll just get even louder. Sort of the Streisand effect.
"Terrible, terrible people to deal with". Reminds me of someone else's tweets.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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It's quite possible that our council, desperate as they seem to "regenerate" the area made verbal promises. It's definite that the issue is around planning and fire safety, not licensing. I have some sympathy with him as he's made a business decision based upon promises, however in my experience when push comes to shove for business people, promises are only kept if they're backed by something in writing.
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Permalink Reply by JHauptman on
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John, the Council does not make promises.
Neither the officers nor the Councillors are the sharpest tacks, but self-preservation is always at the forefront of anything they do or say.
What we have here is a 'new' council challenging the laissez faire culture of 'meanwhile-use' projects that was fostered by the previous leadership. In Haringey, the lack of enforcement and oversight has meant that many projects operate without safety and planning considerations having been addressed.
Dig a little deeper on this one and you might find an individual who council officers have named "Mr Meanwhile". He has been given properties across the borough to produce Haringey's peculiar definition of placemaking and regeneration. The likes of former Cllrs Goldberg and Kober afforded him peppercorn (or well below market) rents and Business Rates exemptions. The businesses he then rents the spaces to are not so fortunate. A very juicy margin is made.
Being entirely woke millennials, the motto is Just Do It. Challenge the orthodoxy of regulation and the stale Health and Safety Executive.... Just Do It.
If the business in this case suffered any deception, I imagine it was from their own belief that the landscape would not change at all after May.
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Do you mean Nick Hartwright?
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Here's the planning application: http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/Applica...
Application date 21/05/18. Permission granted 02/08/18. By which time Hawker Union had been open for ??6 weeks? Found the phrase " as the premises is continuing to operate without Building Regulations approval " in the last-but-three document in the doc. listing.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Interesting when you read the Builging Control comments. Inadequate means of escape in case of fire, kitchen under a wooden mezzanine......
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Permalink Reply by Mavic Starfish on
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I wonder f it was this mezzanine with various restaraunts underneath the perimeters
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And now the council respond!
Read Council Leader @CllrEjiofor's statement on Hawker Union: https://t.co/SStGuxjAYa
— Haringey (@haringeycouncil) September 14, 2018
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Permalink Reply by michaela rourke on
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Sounds to me like the council were absolutely right - safety is paramount. What I don't understand is why Hawker weren't willing to fix these few things in order to keep trading. Seems like the council's position was clear. Real shame, but maybe someone else can step in.
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