Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Consultation Deadline - Application for Finsbury Park Neighbourhood Forum - (including Finsbury Park)
Following my earlier posts about the proposed Finsbury Park Neighbourhood Forum (linked via tag), a formal application has now been lodged to Islington, Haringey and Hackney councils.
Whilst Islington wil apparently be the lead council, Haringey are acting as a partner and will be running a local consultation.
Neighbourhood forums are set up by local residents but are given an official status and have a strong influenced over local planning and development. Given that part of the ward of Harringay is included in the boundaries of the area proposed by our neighbours, it is in our interest to consider the issues and get involved on the consultation.
Unfortunately, the email I got about this form the Council included a link to a page on their website which was supposed to include all documentation relating to the application, but didn't. It gave two phone numbers, the first of which is for an officer away on holiday and the second of which I've left a message on but have yet to hear back. My email to the officer who sent the email enquiring after the documents has received no reply. Not a great start Haringey.
Having said that, there is some documentation out there on the web:
- Finsbury Park & Stroud Green Neighbourhood Forum website
- Islington Council Consultation page (but no attached documents)
- Link given in the email for Haringey Council page
Whilst the Haringey page doesn't yet include what it is supposed to, it does contain some useful general explanation about neighbourhood forums and links to other material.
I'm attaching what documentation I've been able to find by using a Google search of the Islington Council website (as you can see from their web page, they don't offer them as being available online, but only for viewing in person). Three are attached to this original post. A further three are attached to my comment that follows and one that is to big for either is available on my Amazon server at https://hgyol.in/2GgKuZU.
The consultation is running from 14th May to 25 June. I will ask the LCSP to cover this issue at their next meeting on 14th June.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I looked at that briefly yesterday, Peter. Whilst I thought it might be indicative of some of the thinking behind this application, I couldn’t see any direct use of the advice since the park is already metropolitan open space. Did I miss something?
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It’s interesting to note that the Highgate NF includes part of the Heath. So inclusion of MOS. So it seems standard to include, but I also note not necessary to include all of a space.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Including a PART of the park is one thing, including ALL of it is quite something else!
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Yes, but FOFP’s stated position is that it only makes sense to include the whole park. That’s at odds with what happened in Highgate.
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"makes sense" being completely subjective.
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Permalink Reply by Nick G-T on
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I haven’t seen Highgate NFs boundaries but I do know that part of the Heath is officially in Highgate, so possibly it runs along the suburbs boundary.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Nick - yes, the western extent of the Highgate NF is the boundary of Highgate ward, but only takes in those areas of the Heath where people live (the area around Kenwood for example). Although Highgate ward actually includes the whole of the Parliament Hill section of the Heath that bit is excluded from the NF area, presumably because there is no residential property.
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I got a response from Haringey today with a link to a new web page - http://www.haringey.gov.uk/planning-and-building-control/planning/p...
Now it’s up, it’s actually much better that what Islington offer.
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Permalink Reply by Zena Brabazon on
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Along with the ward councillors for Stroud Green, Harringay councillors have been formally asked for their views. I looked at the documentation and map today and agree that this is fundamentally about the park. Or at least, that is what it looks like given the red lines. That worries me. I think these neighbourhood plans and the implications are quite hard to grasp, so I have asked for a meeting with planning with ward councillors. I think a local meeting about this would also be good because these plans have implications for planning decisions and use of s106 funding if I am not mistaken. I am sure Michael A will correct me on this.
Anyway, please let me know if you think this would be a good idea and I will get on with it - liaising of course with the LCSP.
Zena
Zena Brabazon
Cllr, Harringay Ward
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Thanks for your interest, Zena. Any other local interest you can encourage / lead would be most welcome.
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Permalink Reply by Arkady on
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Hello Harringay folk
Ben Myring here. I'm a Stroud Green resident and a member of the Working Group for the FPSG Neighbourhood Forum.
As some of you will recall, we worked hard to define the boundary of the Neighbourhood area by local consultation, and that led to the exclusion of areas to the east of the park, and ultimately to the exclusion of the streets immediately north of it too. I was rather impressed at the mobilisation of people on this site to achieve those exclusions!
As for the park itself - the reason for including it as a whole was because that was the express desire of the Friends of Finsbury Park. I will ask the Friends to further explain their thinking here. I understand (though may be mistaken) that they were unsure about supporting our proposals unless we included all of the park.
I would add a few thoughts of my own that may help to clarify the situation:
1) Members of the Friends of Finsbury Park, regardless of where they live, will have influence on FSPGNF as we expect them to be an affiliate member of the Forum. That would be less true of the park were excluded!
2) FPSGNF is formally committed to co-operating with neighbouring Neighbourhood Forums - as I've suggested here before it might be advisable for you to get one off the ground in Harringay. We're already starting to develop links with existing Forums.
3) As the park is Metropolitan Open Land there's a limited amount of influence that a Neighbourhood Plan will be able to have over the park itself, though as Hugh notes it is common practice to include MOL in these applications. For those above suggesting that our work to establish the Neighbourhood forum is 'about the park' I'm happy to say that our aims are much broader. They are set out here: http://finsburyparkstroudgreen.com/
Happy to answer any questions.
Ben Myring on behalf of FPSG.
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Hi Ben, Thanks for joining in the debate. As I've said above, I'm fully supportive of the FP&SG NF as a concept. Where our views diverge however are on the inclusion of the park.
The NF's position is that it consulted widely on the boundaries and on that basis, included the park. I'm glad you listened to voices this side of the park and dropped initial ideas of including some of the streets of Harringay. You did that, you say because people this side didn't feel part of your area. However, like with people the other side of the park, people this side feel that the park is part of their area. Yet you've included all of it, despite the views that people this side have expressed.
The park itself has not expressed an opinion. People both sides of it have, but the boundary as far as the park is concerned seems, to ignore the views of those this side of the park completely.
At one point in your survey report, your group says that it would be unthinkable to have an FP&SG forum without the park, can you imagine how untenable it might be to have a significant chunk of our ward sliced off for governance by another neighbourhood?
If as you say, there's a limited amount of influence that a Neighbourhood Plan will be able to have over the park itself, I hope that for most of the NF members, there will be a willingness to reconsider the evidence it gathered during the boundary survey and think again about the advisability of including the park.
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