Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
West Green Tavern up for sale
It seems the West Green Tavern is on the market.
By the look of the details given on rightmove the pub will stay, with the opportunity to develop housing upstairs.
Does anyone local have strong feelings about what should/ should happen to the building. What would locals like to see in the area? A decent pub would be a nice addition to WGR I think!
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Permalink Reply by Harringay 4eva on
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That's what one of the builders working on the site said. I've had a quick look on the council planning application page because I'm interested to see what the street front will look like but nothing came up. I guess if it's going to be retail that would mean change of use too, I'll have another look at the planning website when I get time.
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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Pubs that have gone since I moved here, within 400 yards:
The Seven Sisters on Broad Lane, now a Chinese supermarket
The Golden Stool on the High Rd, was a tesco express now tinned up
One on Markfield Rd, cant recall name
The Swan - the Swan! Isaac Walton's drinking place in c 1650, listed building. Now thoroughly wrecked as a pizza joint after two unsuccessful restaurants.
The Fountain seems to be dwindling.
The Rose and Crown by the Monument.
That leaves The Dutch House, Mannions, The Volunteer none visible from the station. Nothing in reach up the High Rd, Seven Sisters Road, West Green Rd. So the West Green seems like a viable business if it can be made accessible. Shame on the new owners if they decide to just shove two extra LuxuryFlats on the ground floor, they can get ten bedsits ('studios') on the top floors.
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two lovely victorian/edwardian pubs that have dissapeared the botany bay on west green rd and the queens head on green lanes opp ducket common
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Don't forget "The Black Boy" absolutely beautiful pub before they kicked seven shades of ..... Out of it.
Huge island bar - what a tragedy...
The developers should have been locked up for what they did to that place. I'm hoping Baccuss has reserved a special place in hell for them and some very nasty torture involving the bar they skipped.
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As we're listing pubs, what a great pub crawl west green and Phillip lane would have been. Starting at The Queen on the common, Green Gate, Duke, Fox, Black boy, Fountain, West green tavern. Up to Phillip lane.
i can't remember the name of the one on the corner - closed because of a stabbing I believe, along to the Colony, Palmaston and back to the Black boy.
And all of that misses the Goat and KK, don't know why I left them out ...buildings built as pubs I think
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If thie destruction of victorian pubs was even proposed on Upper St it would be thrown out.
Haringey Council say they are not responsible - ultimatley they are. If the legislation requires listed status from the National Trust for example - then HC should be leading this by kicking off a meeting with the NT or whoever to list these pubs. Otherwise the Salisbury and Beaconsfiled and the great Northern tavern will be next
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Hi paddy,
im not sure of the veracity of this but I was told some time ago that Islington, worried by the number of pubs being turned into apartments altered their planning guidance to assume refusal of change of use to buildings originally built as pubs/coaching house etc. I was told that's was saved what later became the "N19" pub. It meant the owner was forced set a sustainable rent and to go looking for a tenant that would take the place on and make a go of it . Great beer and good food if your ever close to it.
During a chat and laugh with the, then Scottish chef, over a good ale. He shot upstairs and returned a few minutes later with the only deep fried battered Mars bar I've ever eaten. Not something I've ever wanted to try again but he proved me wrong and won the bet.
FYI the DFB Mars bars are NOT on the menu he only cooked one because he had just bought one and I believed they were an urban myth.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Both the Salisbury and the Great Northern Tavern are listed buildings. Anyone can apply to have a building listed by Historic England
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/apply-for-listing/
The bar is set pretty high for listing and pubs like the Beaconsfield are pretty common in London so I would not have your hopes set too high. Also, the owner of the building proposed for listing can, and often does, object to the application. This is because listed building status takes away many of the permitted development rights that non listed building have and also a listed building is far more expensive to maintain.
One of the problems for any local authority is that changes in planning regulations make it very, very hard to turn down change of use applications. Almost all of the cards are in the hands of the developer.
One of the problems for pubs of course is that as much as people say they love them, they don’t use them, so they don’t make money.
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And the ex Saan is now a Domino's Pizza. Yuck!
A venue that had enough space to become a good sit down restaurant is now gone over to fast food, delivery services. Reducing the options for future eating places means we will never get the cluster ofto attract people to the High road.
Regeneration 'my ass'!
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I came back from a morning walk to find my Inbox full of notifications of new posts on this issue. There were two from Billy Hole and two from Alan Stanton, and I think JJ B's post above, which probably lit the touchpaper, has seen the blue pencil.
I wonder whether anything interesting has been lost amid the abuse and the threats of libel writs (I am of course using my imagination here, but these seem likely factors). I don't like censorship but accept it's sometimes unavoidable. I'm off out again in a minute but wouldn't be surprised if this goes too, as it reminds people of things that officially never happened.
"Look at the map, child. There is Volgagrad and there is Donetsk. They have no other names. There never was a man called Stalin".
Ah two more posts have come in. This is getting lively.
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The one on the corner is/was The Swan.
The African restaurant that took it over after it was closed by a series of ASBOs, were the first to do unrecoverable damage, they claimed not to know it was a special building. Listed and 350 years old makes it pretty obvious to me. The Paul Simon conversion had made some attempts to keep the original structure and the facade had survived. But the inside was all demolished. Then the Turkish/fusion place, Alamut. They tried to keep the building OK. Now the pizza place has lost all trace of the original, including changing the doors. It's just a pick-up place for the takeaway drivers, not a new eating place. So that must be all we deserve.
How has Haringey enforcement got so very crap?
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