Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Where do I live?
Stupid question! I don’t know the name of my area. I thought maybe I was in the ladder, as that’s what showed up on the covid map, but some old timer at the pub said I was way off.
I live in N4 1, Hermitage road area. What’s this called?
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I do hope not. St Ann's as a neighbourhood was the construct of a wealthy mid Victorian merchant that never quite happened, as far as I'm concerned.
The church at St Ann's, along with the neighbouring school and vicarage, was built and funded mainly by wealthy City merchant Fowler Newsam in the early 1860s. Newsam also built his daughter a house nearby (on the site of what was to become St Ann's hospital).
The church was attended by rich businessmen's families, which led a newspaper correspondent to complain in 1872 that an iron church in West Green or Tottenham Hale would have been more beneficial than Newsam's lavishly favoured St. Ann's, in rural surroundings and catering largely for outsiders.
It may be that Newsam imagined that he'd founded a respectable little community as a base and legacy for his daughter.
The religious centre bequeathed its name to an electoral ward for a short period in the 1890s. But that was gone by 1900, not to be resurrected until 2001.
The name has shallow historical roots and there's no evidence that a community identity ever really grew up around St Ann's. Nor do I see any other reason for encouraging its use. Quite why Haringey Council chose to resurrect the name in 2001 for use as a ward name for a multi-ethnic multi-faith community is a mystery. To me it makes no more sense than their recent badly judged (and thankfully short-lived) bid to rename the Harringay wards Ducketts and Manor Hosue.
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Permalink Reply by Bruce Johnson on
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Finsbury Park Avenue, N4 1.., is referred to as part of St Anne's Village, though how formal this name is I don't know. I think it is used by L&Q, the Housing Association who run the estate.
However, the part of Hermitage Road near the Omega works is referred to by the Council as the Haringay Warehouse District.
We are part of Seven Sisters Ward of Haringey council.
Take your pick.
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St Ann’s Village! Mmm, L&Q are showing their property developer credentials. It has no formal and very little informal weight.
As to the Council using HWD, the origins of the name have already been much discussed on the site. In this instance the council are following a name established by the community (or some of it). Their acceptance of it and its having survived my adding it to Google Maps many years ago does suggest that it will stick around for a while. I wish we could get the council to start calling Harringay, well, er, Harringay.
PS The N15 St Ann’s has no’e’.
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Just added a picture of a shop in your street c1911. More of Hermitage Road here.
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Permalink Reply by jp quethiock on
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Might I suggest that you say you live in Tottenham? The Gardens roads and the eastern strip of the Ladders roads are all in the old Borough of Tottenham. Most of the Ladders were in Hornsey Borough. Why not go back to the three old Boroughs that made up Haringey. I have horrified people by saying I live in Tottenham; you might even get some street cred. By the by, three years ago I was in a remote part of Spain where a guide to a wolf sanctuary spoke excellent London English. I asked her where she had learned it and she said she had squatted in a factory on Hermitage Road. She said she had lived in Haringey but pronounced it as Harringay. Personally I live in the local state of endless disbelief.
Regards,
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Permalink Reply by JJ B on
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Yeah....Tottenham. 3 persons were reported being shot (1 died) in the nicely gentrified Brixton this week gone!
Muswell HIll has a much higher level of burglaries.
We in Tottenham have more ASB and have been subjected to neglect of well though trough investment in public realm infrastructurewith the necessary upkeep systems, for years and years.
But the communities are so so vibrant and continuously fighting the council's inept efforts at 'regeneration' - disguised property speculation = think Wards Corner debacle, and excessive high rise development in Hong Kong style, rabbit hutch 'homes' at T Hale. That is a huge problem. Big developers are moving in en masse, destroying the community feel. Historically small, 'community-detached' landlords have been 'ruining' the area for years by buying up houses (family homes) which they then illegally subdivide and renovate to the lowest possible standards. Then there is the Lammy-backed, badly placed, oversized, ugly Spurs Flying Saucer Stadium that has disrupted life in a bad way. Plonked down as it has been in the middle of a residential area. The cycnical property speculation being driven by the backers of this multibillion £ offshore business is the biggest threat to the quality of life in Nrth Tottenham and certainly not the solution it promises to be.
The perception of the area is in fact quite bad. But when you live in it ( at least in the Bruce Grove part) you realise it can in many ways be much safer than other neighbourhoods, once you talk and get to know your neighbours who look out for one another.
And we have excellent transport - Tube/overground/bus links - to the extent where the flat owning gentrifiers are moving to houses here, from the areas to the west and south. We will see what happens, in a few years, to the 'dishevelled' High Rd when all the new residents from the towers need a place to play and shop. And depending on where Brexshit and Covid take the economy....
Did you know that practically all of Tottenham's High Road (The Tottenham Hdstroic Corridor) is made up of conservation areas?
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