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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

What do you think of the Proposal to Make Rail services through Harringay part of the Overground?

As you've no doubt heard plans were recently announced to bring all London suburban rail services into the remit of London Overground.

Whilst this move won't entail the public ownership that 52% of the public apparently want, it should mean a more unified and somewhat improved service.

Whilst, if adopted, the proposals would see some services 'going orange' from as soon as this year, the Great Northern Service through Harringay won't be impacted until 2021.

You can read more about the proposals the Mayor's prospectus and can have your say in an open consultation until 18th March.

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Is like to see real integration of services so that when I get off the tube and need to change to an orange line, it is charged as a single journey, not a series of journeys. Some overground lines have a pink reader you can swipe your card on when you change between lines, at Gospel Oak for instance, so you get a lower fare by showing that you haven't travelled via zone one. Something like that perhaps?

There's a pink card reader at Highbury, when you switch onto London Overground for Clapham and other points South.  Unfortunately, though the line is almost all in Zone 2, if you pass through Shoreditch station you are momentarily in Zone 1 which pushes the price up considerably!

Yep, the ones I've seen are all for when you change inside the same bulding. What I was thinking of is something along the lines of - you get off at Harringay Green Lanes, touch on the pink reader to indicate that your journey isn't over, then touch in at Manor House as part of the same journey. It would work if you had something like a 15 minute allowance of time between touching out on the pink reader and then in again and maybe a limit of X changes in one journey.

Something like that exists, called 'Out of Station Interchanges' (OSIs). Two local ones are Harringay/Harringay Green Lanes and South Tottenham/Seven Sisters, where if you complete the walk within the permitted time (20 mins in those two cases) it counts as one journey not two, without involving pink Oyster readers.  There's a laundry list (in PDF) of all the Tube-related ones here with allowed journey times as well as a little more explanation. Manor House to Harringay Green Lanes isn't there.

Gordon, you are a star. I didn't know such a thing existed. It would be good if the stations on the list publicised it.

It would be great also if you could transfer buses within a given time, instead of having to pay two fares if your route is not direct. Many cities around the world have a timed ticket, so that if you take another bus within, say, an hour, you are not charged again.

I see you can use this system between Upper Holloway and Archway tube, which might be a good way of reaching points on (that branch of the) Northern Line without having to go via Camden.

On bus transfer tickets, two of the Mayoral candidates (Sadiq Khan and Caroline Pidgeon) have bus transfer tickets in their manifestos. Sian Berry offers a 'one ticket end-to-end' for any journey's combination of modes. Zak Goldsmith reckons electric cars will make bus lanes redundant (?).  Full round-up of manifesto policies on Diamond Geezer's excellent blog here.

Comment on rail interest forums reckons TfL/LOROL received the less reliable units of rolling stock while Abellio Greater Anglia retained the better ones - and they're all 30-35 years old.  The timetable cannot be changed until there are new, extra, trains (TfL were handed only the same number of units as were used by Abellio to run the service).

London Overground services are run on behalf of TfL by LOROL which is a commercial company, it's not the case that London Overground is a creeping renationalisation.

At least you have an alternative non-TfL service at Enfield Chase.

But we knew that the transfer to TFL would not result in an improvement in the services themselves until 2018. This was mentioned in publicty that I saw before the move.

In the end, it should result in improved frequencies and later and earlier services for punters with newer trainsets all integrated into the TFL network.

Also, psychologically, the fact that these branches will appear on the Tube map will mean that people (newcomers to London) immediately see them as an option as a place to move too.

This was raised at Mayor's Question Time in July 2015: chapter and verse here.

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