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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...

We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.

This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road.  There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass. 

Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic. 

The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs!  Drivers beware!

I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.

Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic

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Yes. So let those that oppose it organise to get it removed when that will be possible. Maybe they should stand for election in the ward/council and then they will be responsible for leadership, planning, taking decisions and getting things done.

I’ve been active in organisations, my union and local community organisations where people don’t turn up to meetings and often don’t bother to respond to consultations that affect them directly, then 9th do so post facto to complain. People have a responsibility to be informed about what is going on around them. Our councillors/ politicians are human. 

we’ve had a consultation. A decision was taken and system in place to review it. People have 18 months to organise and present alternatives. Voilà.

In Tower Hamlets the most recently elected Mayor (previously removed for corrupt practices) is planning to strip out LTN provision in Bethnal Green. We’ll see what effect that has at the following elections there.

PS : I have been/am a critic of Haringey Council

JJ, I think you're overlooking a couple of significant points. Firstly, once the hierarchy of Haringey Labour (or any party in power) decides on the course of its ideology, no single councillor is going to change that. Voting in an LTN critical councillor would serve almost no purpose in reality. Note the silence of all of the current lot. Valuable sinecures are at risk. There's a cost of living crisis for our part time councillors too. 

The second point is that there has been no consultation on these LTNs. That's one of the main reasons they have been implemented through Experimental Traffic Orders. There is NO legal requirement to consult. What we have seen is merely a PR exercise in explaining what was going to happen. It wasn't a consultation by any legal definition (as there was no legal imperative), nor by any reasonably accepted definition of the word. 

The 'why don't you vote them out then?' argument demeans the questioner and the questioned.

But voting in a party that said they weren't going to introduce LTNs would have stopped them. That didn't happen.

I finds it bizarre that you claim there was no consultation. There were consultations at every stage of the process, all clearly documented online. The consultations led to some significant changes (the Bruce Grove scheme being extended west of Belmont and the X2 exemptions both came about due to the consultation process).

The main reason to implement through an ETO is so that the scheme can be amended without it being necessary to start the process again and put in place a new traffic order.

I do not acccept that the vote them out argument demeans anyone.

I read an article somewhere that suggested these anti-LTN petitions received a lot of responses from the same people all over the country.  Does the petition ask for address details? Will try and dig the article out.

The petition website asks for address details as well as name. It has categories for residents and those who work or study in Haringey. Presumably anyone who might be a serial signer can be discounted. Whether any of the petitions will have any effect other than to allow people to register their frustration is a moot point, as the council’s carbon-reduction plan (somewhat buried on the website) assumes the whole borough will be an LTN before long. I’d be extremely surprised if even a massive increase in traffic recorded on “boundary” roads (or a probable tiny reduction — within statistical margins of error — on roads inside the LTN) will divert the council from its course. Meanwhile, without any action to control Green Lanes or mitigate the North Circular/Seven Sisters problem, nothing will actually improve, especially not for Harringay residents.

I can't spot anything that allows you to view that at the moment but it will be interesting to see the data if that gets released (or I guess it may be available by FOI otherwise).

The fact that the anti-Bruce Grove LTN petition has 500 signatures and it hasn't even been implemented yet does make me wonder about these petitions.

Or it could be that Bruce Grove residents can now see what’s coming?

Well. Didn’t we have council elections in May? We’ll see just what effect this petition has. I predict it won’t change the council’s position unless the trial period findings confirm the complaints.

Someone has said in relation to my earlier comment that there is no such thing as environmental racism. They are wrong. Environmental Racism is a socio-political concept that aims to explain, among other things, who the winners and losers are when gentrification occurs. You may not like it but as a concept it does indeed exist. In the US it is a concept used in discussion about their green new deal and that fighting climate change means also fighting for social justice. I attach a link to an Apple podcast for those who might want to follow it up.

https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/why-we-need-to-talk-about-env...

I just want to again point out that the St Anns LTN shows that we are NOT all in this together. One person's quiet street should not come at the great expense of the residents of Harringay Road/ Colina Road and West Green Road nor the suffering public on buses stuck in jams on the latter. The LTN is a divisive sledgehammer used to crack a rather small nut.

When you look into the volume of contributions to the original survey and attendees of the consultations, it was notable that those requesting and supporting the LTN were exclusively from the roads least affected by any improvement in traffic volume. 


Woodlands park road and Black boy lane are the only two roads with diminished traffic volumes and those had very few comments from residents. 

I agree that areas with most deprivation are those who experience the greatest detriment when improving the lives of a privileged minority. 

I'm sorry but I have to correct this. Etherley Road (and, to a lesser extent, the longer stretch of Cranleigh Road west of Etherley) has seen a huge and much needed reduction in traffic. I don't know how many people on Etherley commented (I certainly did) but there's plenty of deprivation on this street and now residents' quality of life has suddenly improved. That's not to take away from the plight of those living on the boundary roads but nor can you assert that the LTN doesn't include some large pockets of deprivation, or that only WPR and BBL have benefitted. 

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